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/ battery charger #42  
I've used 1.25amp Battery Tender Plus chargers on several of my starter batteries for years, tractors, as well as other vehicles I don't use regularly. I've found that compared to leaving the battery to fend for itself (not using any charger) my batteries used to last 2 or maybe 3 years. Using the Battery Tender Plus chargers yields 6 or more years of service. The operation of these chargers are fairly simple, just two LED's and I've found they pay for themselves within one battery replacement cycle. There are other more complex chargers that offer digital or LED status read-outs and some of them are considerably more expensive. Obviously with only 1.25amps the Battery Tender Plus is not designed to charge a dead battery but from the first day I purchase a new battery I leave my Battery Tender Plus connected whenever my vehicles are not in use and it causes no harm. My .02.
 
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/ battery charger #43  
+1 on the Noco Genius charger / maintainers. I have 5 of them, one for each vehicle.

Some aren't used often and most newer vehicles have a parasitic drain from various electronic devices that run 24/7. As the batteries age, this drain can lead to a no start condition when the vehicle isn't used for several weeks or for short trips.
Can you recommend a specific Noco? I have tried to sort through the various models on Amazon...but keep getting stuck on negative reviews (bad habit of going straight to the 1 stars).

Also, regarding the topic of parasitic drain, if you all don't mind. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback that has a stubborn battery drain issue. 4 out of 5 times, car starts right up. But, a couple of times a week, dead as a door nail...have to get my battery jumper (little portable battery pack I keep in the car) and start the car...fires right up. Then...next start time...starts right up.

For example. Thursday morning, I got ready to leave for work...dead. Jump start. Go to work about 11 miles away (highway speed for about 10 minutes). End of work day...car starts right up next. Friday morning...starts right up. Friday afternoon...starts right up. I had decided it was keeping the keyfob in the car that was draining the car overnight. But, sometimes...it starts fine in the morning. Drive to work. Get off work...dead battery.

I have been scratching my head on this issue for 3+ years...about when this started. I did buy a new battery, dated 2/23. No change...intermittent battery issue persisted. Lame battery choice...Everstart from Walmart...but, I don't think that is the issue.

I have a battery charger that I put on most weekends that tends to improve the odds that I will not have to jump the car...but not for certain. I can put the charger on...good on Monday, but Tuesday MIGHT need a jump.

The charger, bought in Feb 2023 for various charging needs on the farm, has been decent (has "repaired" some other nearly dead batteries for some limited usage). But the charger lives right in front of the Subaru...which is why I want to get another charge..but just not the cheapo.

Anyway, would like to get a charger for all the other batteries around the pace.

Thanks for any feedback...on the topic of chargers, and the off topic. :)
 
/ battery charger #44  
Can you recommend a specific Noco? I have tried to sort through the various models on Amazon...but keep getting stuck on negative reviews (bad habit of going straight to the 1 stars).

Also, regarding the topic of parasitic drain, if you all don't mind. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback that has a stubborn battery drain issue. 4 out of 5 times, car starts right up. But, a couple of times a week, dead as a door nail...have to get my battery jumper (little portable battery pack I keep in the car) and start the car...fires right up. Then...next start time...starts right up.

For example. Thursday morning, I got ready to leave for work...dead. Jump start. Go to work about 11 miles away (highway speed for about 10 minutes). End of work day...car starts right up next. Friday morning...starts right up. Friday afternoon...starts right up. I had decided it was keeping the keyfob in the car that was draining the car overnight. But, sometimes...it starts fine in the morning. Drive to work. Get off work...dead battery.

I have been scratching my head on this issue for 3+ years...about when this started. I did buy a new battery, dated 2/23. No change...intermittent battery issue persisted. Lame battery choice...Everstart from Walmart...but, I don't think that is the issue.

I have a battery charger that I put on most weekends that tends to improve the odds that I will not have to jump the car...but not for certain. I can put the charger on...good on Monday, but Tuesday MIGHT need a jump.

The charger, bought in Feb 2023 for various charging needs on the farm, has been decent (has "repaired" some other nearly dead batteries for some limited usage). But the charger lives right in front of the Subaru...which is why I want to get another charge..but just not the cheapo.

Anyway, would like to get a charger for all the other batteries around the pace.

Thanks for any feedback...on the topic of chargers, and the off topic. :)
you will need a meter and access to the fuse box.
First check fuses to see which are live with the car off. This is your starting point.

Since yours is so intermittent you would need to check current draw for each live circuit. If you have never done this, bring it to someone who has. Sparks are bad :cool:

Sometimes you remove a fuse and hear a click, maybe that is the circuit. Not always that lucky though. Removing fuses should only be done with a plastic fuse remover, probably one located in you fuse box.

Also check anything in auxiliary outlets. Phone chargers, dash cams etc. My son once plugged the dash cam into a USB outlet which stayed powered on with car off...

There are meters and probes that light up or beep when voltage is detected if you worry about shorting something out.

There will be draw for computers etc. but they should be in low power mode and very little draw. It matters how much tech is in the car.
 
/ battery charger #45  
I am currently using a 20 year old,at least, Centech battery charger. I only use it on 2 amp for the tractor, zero-turn(monthly or so to top off), and vehicles as needed. I dropped it when hooking up to the tractor and the indicator needle fell off but it still charges fine, the light going from red to green when battery is fully charged. A vehicle battery went dead the other day(door left ajar) and it has been hooked to the charger for three days, though it is only plugged in during the day so I can keep an eye on it. Light on charger has not changed to green, tho the interior light of the vehicle does come on so I believe it is receiving the charge. I am thinking of getting a newer model charger but just read that the newer models will not charge a fully empty battery as it may not detect the battery when connected. Thoughts? I know this forum likes battery tenders/minders but as I like to keep an eye on any charging and do not leave anything connected if I am not nearby, I have not gotten one. A tender will not charge a dead vehicle battery, will it?
the newer batterie's today in some vehicles and marine use AGM batteries. a old school charger won't charge them all the way up but will tell you their fully charged. I use a AGM charger on those batteries now. I also have a factory battery GM says it needs in my 2016 malibu. so some of them have been using them for a while. the AGM chargers are cheap too and cen tect has them too.
 
/ battery charger #46  
I've got one similar to this ...you just can't kill it..
I would look through FB marketplace or eBay before buying one of fancy worthless new chargers ...
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I've got one of those but haven't used it in years since buying battery maintainers.
 
/ battery charger #48  
Can you recommend a specific Noco? I have tried to sort through the various models on Amazon...but keep getting stuck on negative reviews (bad habit of going straight to the 1 stars).

Also, regarding the topic of parasitic drain, if you all don't mind. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback that has a stubborn battery drain issue. 4 out of 5 times, car starts right up. But, a couple of times a week, dead as a door nail...have to get my battery jumper (little portable battery pack I keep in the car) and start the car...fires right up. Then...next start time...starts right up.

For example. Thursday morning, I got ready to leave for work...dead. Jump start. Go to work about 11 miles away (highway speed for about 10 minutes). End of work day...car starts right up next. Friday morning...starts right up. Friday afternoon...starts right up. I had decided it was keeping the keyfob in the car that was draining the car overnight. But, sometimes...it starts fine in the morning. Drive to work. Get off work...dead battery.

I have been scratching my head on this issue for 3+ years...about when this started. I did buy a new battery, dated 2/23. No change...intermittent battery issue persisted. Lame battery choice...Everstart from Walmart...but, I don't think that is the issue.

I have a battery charger that I put on most weekends that tends to improve the odds that I will not have to jump the car...but not for certain. I can put the charger on...good on Monday, but Tuesday MIGHT need a jump.

The charger, bought in Feb 2023 for various charging needs on the farm, has been decent (has "repaired" some other nearly dead batteries for some limited usage). But the charger lives right in front of the Subaru...which is why I want to get another charge..but just not the cheapo.

Anyway, would like to get a charger for all the other batteries around the pace.

Thanks for any feedback...on the topic of chargers, and the off topic. :)
Yeah, those one star reviews can really confuse your buying choice. I generally add the 4 and 5 stars together and compare that with the combination of the 1 and 2 star reviews. I also weed out the bad reviews involving shipping, packaging and other non product related complaints. I also look for consistent complaints about the same thing.

I chose the 10 amp Noco Genius10. Under $100 in many places but I managed to catch them on sale for $69 last fall. I chose it mainly because it can be used as a charger as well as a maintainer. IMO anything less than 10 amps isn't much good for a dead battery.

All good advice above about the parasitic drain. Three of my newer vehicles have it to some extent. My pickup is the worst and acts much like your Subaru. I took it to the dealer after I couldn't find the problem. They couldn't either and said the drain was within spec. It's likely an intermittent problem that could take a mechanic many hours to find. I figured in would be cheaper to get the Noco in the long run.

My truck has a 7 pin trailer socket with a set of pins that are always hot. I bought a matching connector and wired it to the Noco. Makes it a snap to connect without raising the hood when I park the vehicle.
 
/ battery charger #50  
Can you recommend a specific Noco? I have tried to sort through the various models on Amazon...but keep getting stuck on negative reviews (bad habit of going straight to the 1 stars).

Also, regarding the topic of parasitic drain, if you all don't mind. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback that has a stubborn battery drain issue. 4 out of 5 times, car starts right up. But, a couple of times a week, dead as a door nail...have to get my battery jumper (little portable battery pack I keep in the car) and start the car...fires right up. Then...next start time...starts right up.

It depends on what you are trying to do: keep a battery topped up and maintained, or quickly recharge a dead battery.

For maintaining: The low amp smart maintainers make a good, low-budget way to keep your battery topped up, even if there is some parasitic drain (which almost all modern vehicles have, to differing degrees). Good examples of this: BatteryMINDer 1510, or the Noco Genius 2 for portable units, or the Noco 2D or BatteryMINDer 1215C for on-board "permanently" mounted units. On Board charger maintainers typically have better water/weather-proofing and ring terminal connections to your battery. You just plug into an extension cord when needed. They can recharge a dead battery, but will take a long time to do so for a car or tractor sized battery. [Note: I'm not much of a fan of the Noco Genius 1 charger, mainly because it has basically no water resistance: IP60 rating. Not an concern if you will never be using it where you get caught in a light rain, or where condensation is an issue, but I just don't trust that I will always be using it in dry conditions.]
For recharging a good sized dead battery (i.e. bigger than. motorcycle battery), you'll want a higher amperage charger, probably something in the 5-10 amp range. (There are larger chargers if you need a quicker boost to get started quickly, but these days, with the advent of small portable & effective jump boxes/boosters, they are usually the way to go for a quick start on a dead battery.) In the portable units, the Noco Genius 5 or 10 or the BatteryMINDer 128CEC2 are both good choices. For onboard chargers with higher amps and very good weather/waterproofing consider the Noco Gen5X1 or the Noco GenPRO10x1.
Personally, I don't see a point of an on-board higher amp charger like these, except in special applications. A less expensive, low amp maintainer should keep the battery topped off when not in use. If something happens and the battery does get discharged, I just temporrily connect one of my higher amp chargers. (I do have a Noco GenPRO10x1 mounted on my dump trailer. It's an electro-hydraulic dump powered by a 12 V deep cycle battery. Since it's often used in situations where the vehicle is not set up to recharge the trailer battery, it tends to get drawn down further.)

Differences between Noco and BatteryMINDer chargers:
Both are good, reputable brands. Both are temperature compensated (adjust charging voltages to optimal levels based in ambient temperatures), both are desulfating chargers, Bothare multi stage, smart chargers and can be left connected to a battery long term with out risk of overcharging and boiling off electrolyte.

All Noco chargers use high voltage pulses to desulfate. The pulses are very brief, but per email communications with Noco tech support, if you have some very sensitve electronics connected to whatever you are charging, you should probably disconnect the battery when using one of these units. (Having said that, lots of people, including me use them on modern vehicles with all of their computer controls without issue.) Noco Chargers also only desulfate in the initial portion of the charging cycle (or when you manually select "repair mode" on those chargers which offer it.)
All BatteryMINDer charger/maintainers use high frequency pulses to desulfate. Which are less of an issue for sensitive electronics. They also run the desulfation mode continuously, not jus at the beginning of the cycle. For desulfation method, the edge goes to BatteryMINDer

The low Amp Noco maintainers have selectable charging profiles for various battery types (flooded lead-acid, AGM, or Lithium). The low amp BatteryMINDER units have a generic profile to cover flooded lead acid or AGM. This is less optimal for specialty AGM (such as Oddysey AGM batteries), which generally call for a few tenths of a volt higher charging and float voltages (though some AGM batteries, such as Optima, call for the same voltage ranges as flooded lead-acid). A specialty AGM battery generally will not be damaged by charging/maintaining at slightly lower than optimal voltages, especially if the maintiner desulfates. However, it may not be charged to 100% full capacity. The edge goes to Noco on this characteristic. [BatteryMINDer does make a specialized 2 amp AGM charger. It's more expensive than other low-amp chargers, but does include better diagnostic and display features. Still, it's a single-purpose charger.]

In the higher amp portable chargers, Both Noco and BatteryMINDer offer selectable charging profiles (flooded lead acid, specialty AGM, Lithium). Their portable units are all reated IP65, which is pretty good for weather resistance. All temperature compensate, all have desulfation, all can be left connected to a battery long-term without damage - so once a battery is charged, they act just like a battery maintainer. In my opinion, the BatteryMinder unit still has a bit of an edge in the type of desulfation (high frequency vs high voltage). The BatteryMINDer init also alows you to select the maximum amperage (2, 4 or 8 amps). On a car or tractor battery, that probably makes no difference: you'll likely just leave it on 8 amps all the time. If you want to charge a motorcycle or ATV battery, the 2 amp setting should be used (most of those smaller batteries specify a lower max charging rate). That selectable charge rate may make no difference to you if you have none of those smaller batteries or if you already own a low-amperage charger/maintainer for those batteries.

My preference is generally for BatteryMINDer, though I tend to use them interchangeably. I do use a Noco Genius 2 on my wife's motorcycle, which has an AGM battery which calls for the specialty AGM charge profile.

There are other good, reputable brands of chargers out there. I settled on these two after a lot of research. That doesn't mean some of the others aren't just as good. There are also some crappy brands/chargers out there. Quality control on some brands is highly variable: if you are lucky, you'll get one where the voltges at the various chaging stages are right where the should be. If you are unlucky, that same model sitting next to it on the shelf might overcharge your battery and boil off electrolyte.

** sorry for the length of this post. I spent WAY too much time researching chargers, and get carried away when I talk about them.
 
/ battery charger #51  
You should take a look at the PulseTech products. They have very nice things for the civilian market now.

Also, their new Powerspulse desulfators are very affordable. I have a couple of those installed in vehicles, even one that isn't driven all that often. They supposedly draw only 10mA.
 
/ battery charger #52  
Also, regarding the topic of parasitic drain, if you all don't mind. I have a 2015 Subaru Outback that has a stubborn battery drain issue. 4 out of 5 times, car starts right up. But, a couple of times a week, dead as a door nail...have to get my battery jumper (little portable battery pack I keep in the car) and start the car...fires right up. Then...next start time...starts right up.
Since you mentioned a Subaru: we've had a similar problem with our 2016 Subaru Forester on a couple of occasions. I THINK I may have figured out what is causing it. Occasionally, when we turn off the ignition, I can still her a slight buzzing. Usually, if I even notice it, the buzz stops within a few seconds of turning off the ignition.

We had an unexpected dead battery, and had to put it on a charger to bring it back up. When I shut off the ignition that time, I heard the familiar buzz. It did not stop after a few seconds... it just kept going. I started and shut off the car a couple of times before I could get the buzz to stop. I'm not 100% positive what the buzz is, but it does sound a lot like the electric fuel pump I had installed in my antique truck (just a lot more muffled in the Subaru.) Our mechanic has not been able to pinpoint the issue, since it never seems to happen when we have it in with him. However, I've never had a battery problem if I make sure that noise has stopped before leaving the car.
 
/ battery charger #53  
It depends on what you are trying to do: keep a battery topped up and maintained, or quickly recharge a dead battery.

For maintaining: The low amp smart maintainers make a good, low-budget way to keep your battery topped up, even if there is some parasitic drain (which almost all modern vehicles have, to differing degrees). Good examples of this: BatteryMINDer 1510, or the Noco Genius 2 for portable units, or the Noco 2D or BatteryMINDer 1215C for on-board "permanently" mounted units. On Board charger maintainers typically have better water/weather-proofing and ring terminal connections to your battery. You just plug into an extension cord when needed. They can recharge a dead battery, but will take a long time to do so for a car or tractor sized battery. [Note: I'm not much of a fan of the Noco Genius 1 charger, mainly because it has basically no water resistance: IP60 rating. Not an concern if you will never be using it where you get caught in a light rain, or where condensation is an issue, but I just don't trust that I will always be using it in dry conditions.]
For recharging a good sized dead battery (i.e. bigger than. motorcycle battery), you'll want a higher amperage charger, probably something in the 5-10 amp range. (There are larger chargers if you need a quicker boost to get started quickly, but these days, with the advent of small portable & effective jump boxes/boosters, they are usually the way to go for a quick start on a dead battery.) In the portable units, the Noco Genius 5 or 10 or the BatteryMINDer 128CEC2 are both good choices. For onboard chargers with higher amps and very good weather/waterproofing consider the Noco Gen5X1 or the Noco GenPRO10x1.
Personally, I don't see a point of an on-board higher amp charger like these, except in special applications. A less expensive, low amp maintainer should keep the battery topped off when not in use. If something happens and the battery does get discharged, I just temporrily connect one of my higher amp chargers. (I do have a Noco GenPRO10x1 mounted on my dump trailer. It's an electro-hydraulic dump powered by a 12 V deep cycle battery. Since it's often used in situations where the vehicle is not set up to recharge the trailer battery, it tends to get drawn down further.)

Differences between Noco and BatteryMINDer chargers:
Both are good, reputable brands. Both are temperature compensated (adjust charging voltages to optimal levels based in ambient temperatures), both are desulfating chargers, Bothare multi stage, smart chargers and can be left connected to a battery long term with out risk of overcharging and boiling off electrolyte.

All Noco chargers use high voltage pulses to desulfate. The pulses are very brief, but per email communications with Noco tech support, if you have some very sensitve electronics connected to whatever you are charging, you should probably disconnect the battery when using one of these units. (Having said that, lots of people, including me use them on modern vehicles with all of their computer controls without issue.) Noco Chargers also only desulfate in the initial portion of the charging cycle (or when you manually select "repair mode" on those chargers which offer it.)
All BatteryMINDer charger/maintainers use high frequency pulses to desulfate. Which are less of an issue for sensitive electronics. They also run the desulfation mode continuously, not jus at the beginning of the cycle. For desulfation method, the edge goes to BatteryMINDer

The low Amp Noco maintainers have selectable charging profiles for various battery types (flooded lead-acid, AGM, or Lithium). The low amp BatteryMINDER units have a generic profile to cover flooded lead acid or AGM. This is less optimal for specialty AGM (such as Oddysey AGM batteries), which generally call for a few tenths of a volt higher charging and float voltages (though some AGM batteries, such as Optima, call for the same voltage ranges as flooded lead-acid). A specialty AGM battery generally will not be damaged by charging/maintaining at slightly lower than optimal voltages, especially if the maintiner desulfates. However, it may not be charged to 100% full capacity. The edge goes to Noco on this characteristic. [BatteryMINDer does make a specialized 2 amp AGM charger. It's more expensive than other low-amp chargers, but does include better diagnostic and display features. Still, it's a single-purpose charger.]

In the higher amp portable chargers, Both Noco and BatteryMINDer offer selectable charging profiles (flooded lead acid, specialty AGM, Lithium). Their portable units are all reated IP65, which is pretty good for weather resistance. All temperature compensate, all have desulfation, all can be left connected to a battery long-term without damage - so once a battery is charged, they act just like a battery maintainer. In my opinion, the BatteryMinder unit still has a bit of an edge in the type of desulfation (high frequency vs high voltage). The BatteryMINDer init also alows you to select the maximum amperage (2, 4 or 8 amps). On a car or tractor battery, that probably makes no difference: you'll likely just leave it on 8 amps all the time. If you want to charge a motorcycle or ATV battery, the 2 amp setting should be used (most of those smaller batteries specify a lower max charging rate). That selectable charge rate may make no difference to you if you have none of those smaller batteries or if you already own a low-amperage charger/maintainer for those batteries.

My preference is generally for BatteryMINDer, though I tend to use them interchangeably. I do use a Noco Genius 2 on my wife's motorcycle, which has an AGM battery which calls for the specialty AGM charge profile.

There are other good, reputable brands of chargers out there. I settled on these two after a lot of research. That doesn't mean some of the others aren't just as good. There are also some crappy brands/chargers out there. Quality control on some brands is highly variable: if you are lucky, you'll get one where the voltges at the various chaging stages are right where the should be. If you are unlucky, that same model sitting next to it on the shelf might overcharge your battery and boil off electrolyte.

** sorry for the length of this post. I spent WAY too much time researching chargers, and get carried away when I talk about them.
I wish Minder made 6 and 8 volt chargers…

Right now I will charge two 6-volts in series and use my 12 volt Battery Minder
 
/ battery charger #55  
I wish Minder made 6 and 8 volt chargers…

Right now I will charge two 6-volts in series and use my 12 volt Battery Minder
They used to, years ago.

The Noco Genius line will do 6V in addition to 12V batteries. Some of the higher amperage ones have a choice of regular 6V and 6V AGM charging profiles

BatteryTender also has some 6V chargers, but no desulfation on their chargers
 
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/ battery charger #56  
I actually called Battery Minder and spoke with engineering and learned it was not in the plans going forward due to new energy efficiency standards…

Never realized battery chargers are required to be efficient.

The U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) set federal standards for consumer chargers, including limits on 24-hour energy consumption, while California (Title 20) imposes strict efficiency requirements for both small and large systems…

I’m glad I still have my Grandfathers Charger…
 
/ battery charger #57  
Maybe AI has secretly been running things for the past few decades, finding ways to squeeze the human race out of existence. Death by a thousand small cuts. The central control hub is in Sacramento.
 
/ battery charger #58  
Can just leave the charger on a trickle charge, 2 amp, for all my uses and it will automatically desulfate? Or is desulfation an option?

Just read this on BatteryTender site-"Desulfation might sound like a quick fix, but it can end up doing more harm than good"
The battery in my van died a while back, it was 6+ years old. It didn't want to take a charge, then I put it on the recondition (desulfation) mode and now it is holding charge no problem.
 
/ battery charger #59  
We have half a dozen BatterMINDers and several Noco brand battery tenders. Used regularly, they do make batteries last longer - up to as much as twice as long.
We've had them for years now with no problems at all. We do use surge protectors.

For some reason I don't understand, neither brand can be relied on to charge a completely discharged battery. To charge a totally flat battery I first hook it up to an old transformer type charger for an hour, then the BatteryMINDer or Noco can take over from there.
rScotty
You can trick the "smart" charger with a 9 volt battery and a couple of small jumper wires. Just hook the regular charger cables to the dead battery you are trying to charge, then connect the small jumper wires to the 9 volt battery and the other end of the wires to the charger connectors, polarity correct. It will sense the 9 volts and start charging the dead battery. You can also use a 12 volt battery if one is handy, but a small 9 volt transistor battery is a lot easier to carry!
 

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