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nancyk

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Deere 5055e 2015, Ferris IS2000z 2007
I am currently using a 20 year old,at least, Centech battery charger. I only use it on 2 amp for the tractor, zero-turn(monthly or so to top off), and vehicles as needed. I dropped it when hooking up to the tractor and the indicator needle fell off but it still charges fine, the light going from red to green when battery is fully charged. A vehicle battery went dead the other day(door left ajar) and it has been hooked to the charger for three days, though it is only plugged in during the day so I can keep an eye on it. Light on charger has not changed to green, tho the interior light of the vehicle does come on so I believe it is receiving the charge. I am thinking of getting a newer model charger but just read that the newer models will not charge a fully empty battery as it may not detect the battery when connected. Thoughts? I know this forum likes battery tenders/minders but as I like to keep an eye on any charging and do not leave anything connected if I am not nearby, I have not gotten one. A tender will not charge a dead vehicle battery, will it?
 
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I have 2 of these little lightweight Ctek chargers. They are great. The only feature missing is a visible voltmeter so I added one (little RC gadget) on top of one with a little wire and a glue gun. They have been working on cars, tractors, motorcycles, and stand alone batteries...for years. Highly recommend you get one. When it is done charging it goes into storage or maintenance mode. So you can leave it on that classic car or whatever.

Can somebody tell me why on earth this post is under review!?
 
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Can somebody tell me why on earth this post is under review!?
LOL, same problem I had a while back the word g-u-n is not allowed. I was describing a device for dispensing pressurized grease and used the bad word.
 
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The Noco Genius series chargers will detect and attempt to charge a dead battery that is as low as 1 volt. If the battery is lower than 1 volt, you can manually turn on "force mode" and charge batteries all the way down to zero volts. They can be left connected to batteries long term (and without the need to "check on them").

In my opinion, the top two brands of smart charger/maintainers on the market today are Noco and BatteryMINDer. Both have a desulfation feature and are temperature compensated (adjust charging voltages to optimum level based on ambient temperature), both can safely be left connected continously. I like how the desulfation feature on the BatteryMINDer works a bit better, but the Noco units offer "Force Mode" (to start a completely flat battery), and the Noco Genius 2 and larger have IP65 rating for water resistance.
 
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I have a million year old 6 amp (6 volt/12 volt) charger well maybe at least 40 years young... Broke amp gauge when it was dropped a while back.... Added cheap chinese voltage/amperage digital meter for about $6 and world is good again (sourced ebray) .....

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After having the NOCO brand I was hooked. They put more effort into how well they package them than some companies put into their product.
 
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I believe I have found why my minivan is taking so long to re-charge. The battery was installed 2018 and it was a 7 year Toyota battery. It was totally dead, from a door slightly open. Time for a new battery, hope I can get to the dealer. In the past the Centech charger has worked fine to charge the totally dead battery, and keep others topped off. I just thought I may get a new charger. Whichever I may get must be uncomplicated, not a state-of-the-art. Explain desulfation and do I need to be concerned with that. All vehicles are in a garage, the zero-turn and tractor are in a covered/sided building and hopefully not being used when very cold.
 
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+1 on the Noco Genius charger / maintainers. I have 5 of them, one for each vehicle.

Some aren't used often and most newer vehicles have a parasitic drain from various electronic devices that run 24/7. As the batteries age, this drain can lead to a no start condition when the vehicle isn't used for several weeks or for short trips.
 
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The Noco Genius series chargers will detect and attempt to charge a dead battery that is as low as 1 volt. If the battery is lower than 1 volt, you can manually turn on "force mode" and charge batteries all the way down to zero volts. They can be left connected to batteries long term (and without the need to "check on them").

In my opinion, the top two brands of smart charger/maintainers on the market today are Noco and BatteryMINDer. Both have a desulfation feature and are temperature compensated (adjust charging voltages to optimum level based on ambient temperature), both can safely be left connected continously. I like how the desulfation feature on the BatteryMINDer works a bit better, but the Noco units offer "Force Mode" (to start a completely flat battery), and the Noco Genius 2 and larger have IP65 rating for water resistance.
I highly recommend buying a charger equipped with desulfation mode !
Never had a battery last more than 5 years in my Ford 6610 until I bought a charger equipped with desulfation mode, the battery in that tractor is now over 10 years old and still working fine.
 
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Can just leave the charger on a trickle charge, 2 amp, for all my uses and it will automatically desulfate? Or is desulfation an option?

Just read this on BatteryTender site-"Desulfation might sound like a quick fix, but it can end up doing more harm than good"
 
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I believe I have found why my minivan is taking so long to re-charge. The battery was installed 2018 and it was a 7 year Toyota battery. It was totally dead, from a door slightly open. Time for a new battery, hope I can get to the dealer. In the past the Centech charger has worked fine to charge the totally dead battery, and keep others topped off. I just thought I may get a new charger. Whichever I may get must be uncomplicated, not a state-of-the-art. Explain desulfation and do I need to be concerned with that. All vehicles are in a garage, the zero-turn and tractor are in a covered/sided building and hopefully not being used when very cold.

Letting a flooded lead acid battery (whether sealed or the older style with the filler caps) go totally dead is damaging to the battery. The more deeply it is discharged, and the longer it sits in that state, the worse the damage. If your battery were brand new, and it discharged as you described, it most likely could be recovered if it were fully recharged as soon as possible. Chances for recovery improve if you use a desulfating battery charger. In a battery at or near the end of it's projected life span, it's not surprising that draining it to zero might kill it.

Sulfation is the build-up of lead sulfate crystals on the plates of a lead-acid battery. It interferes with a battery's ability to hold a charge and to deliver current to a load. Sulfation occurs very slowly in a full charged battery. The speed at which it happens increases if the battery is discharged, even if just partially discharged. All batteries self-discharge over time, even if there is no load on them. What's worse: in modern vehicles (including some tractors) there is also a "phantom load" on the battery even when the vehicle is turned off - this is keeping various things such as clocks and computers "alive". It can become a real problem, especially on vehicles which are not used regularly.

Here is one of the better write ups on battery sulfation I've come across. There is a bit of marketing-speak on the part of the manufacturer, but it's still a good overview.

I can understand the desired for a simple charger, however, the older style "dumb" chargers were not designed to be left connected to a battery long term. They can overcharge the battery and boil off electrolyte, doing permanent damage. This means occasionally monitoring the charger and remembering to disconnect it once the battery is charged.

Among other features, smart chargers protect the by carefully controlling the charging voltage at various stages of the charging process and by continually monitoring the state of the battery: they'll discontinue active charging and drop into "maintenance mode" once the battery is fully charged. They are still very easy to use: just connect them to the battery, plug them in and leave them. (Some chargers also allow you to select a charging profile optimized for the type of battery: e.g. flooded lead acid, AGM, Lithium. For most of this that I have used, they remember the setting, so you don't have to reset it unless you move the charger to a different type of battery.)
 
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Can just leave the charger on a trickle charge, 2 amp, for all my uses and it will automatically desulfate? Or is desulfation an option?

Just read this on BatteryTender site-"Desulfation might sound like a quick fix, but it can end up doing more harm than good"
In a charger with desulfation, that feature is automatic. There is nothing for you to do and no setting to engage.

BatteryTender is one of my least favorite battery maintainers. While they are correct, that it's best to prevent sulfation by keeping the battery fully charged, that does not completely prevent it, just greatly slows down the formation. Plus, everything they say about prevention is something that any good smart charger accomplishes. For me, the proof is in the actual results: My OEM tractor battery lasted me about 3 years. Replacing with another OEM, I got 2 years before it became noticeably weaker. Even if I charged it, I was seeing poor starting performance if it sat idle for more than a few weeks. Used a Battery Tender on the next battery, and got back up to 3+ years. Switched to a desulfating charger, and got 7 years on the next battery, and coming up on 10 years for my current battery. (Same tractor, now 25 years old.) Their rationale for not desulfating because it stresses the plates in the battery just does not hold up under scrutiny. (The "bending a paperclip" analogy they use is flawed. The so-called stress on a battery's plates from a high frequency desulftion pulse is virtually non-existant.)

Similar results on the battery in my wife's motorcycle, and the one that operates the solenoid in my logging trailer (also a motorcycle-type battery, which leads a hard life, since the small honda engine does not hve a charging system, so the battery is cycled more deeply, until I get it back home and put it on the charger). I was lucky to get a year on each of the first 2 batteries used on the logging trailer. I'm now on 5 years and still going strong with the current battery which is kept on a BatteryMINDer desulfting maintainer. Her motorcycle is on a Noco Genius 2 maintainer. She's had it 12 years. Replaced the battery early on in her ownership. The motorcycle has not gotten much use lately, but that second battery is still working well. In contrast some of our motorcycle friends (who all seem to be using Battery Tender maintainers) replace their battery every 2 years.
 
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so a safety question on current tenders: how safe (fire, etc) is it to leave a tender unattended & plugged into a battery that is good condition in a vehicle that not used in as a daily driver? i'm away from my place frequently, and try to reduce any unattended hazards such as electrical fires under the hood and such, thanks in advance.
 
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so a safety question on current tenders: how safe (fire, etc) is it to leave a tender unattended & plugged into a battery that is good condition in a vehicle that not used in as a daily driver? i'm away from my place frequently, and try to reduce any unattended hazards such as electrical fires under the hood and such, thanks in advance.
You could use a timer at the wall outlet. The smart chargers work very well with those.
Let the timer run for 4-hrs each week.
 
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I have been borrowing my father's 30a dealt charger. I believe it's about $130. However recently I had someone leave a dome light on for 4 days. That charger wouldn't charge the battery until I tricked it with my old transformer based unit. It's a Toyota battery from 2013. It came back to life and has been in use down to -6f and in service for about a month.

Fix and check the old charger. These new chargers are not a total fix for battery charging and today's batteries are not cheap.
 
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Another nod to the NOCO Genius. $30 at azamom.

Also a vote for the NOCO Boost. Dead bat-tree in the Tundra week before Christmas. Two guy's jump boxes didn't have enough to turn it over. 3rd guy's NOCO Boost did it.
 

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