Another Question for electricians...

[ultrarunner]

Often I find very old junction boxes too small to properly fit a GFCI…

I had a sink countertop outlet in a rented home… the pre move Section 8 inspection listed a single deficiency… non GFCI receptacle at sink counter.

This was all tiled in and the box was much too small for any GFCI and the option of a GFCI breaker did not exist.

Only solution was to remove the outlet and replace with a blank cover plate.

The tenant bought a long corded power strip with adaptor running from a wall outlet to sink counter… no GFCI and now a power strip flipping around was ok but not a permanent non GFCI receptacle 40” from the sink in a very nice 1940 custom corner lot home…

 

[Runner]

Often I find very old junction boxes too small to properly fit a GFCI…

I had a sink countertop outlet in a rented home… the pre move Section 8 inspection listed a single deficiency… non GFCI receptacle at sink counter.

This was all tiled in and the box was much too small for any GFCI and the option of a GFCI breaker did not exist.

Only solution was to remove the outlet and replace with a blank cover plate.

The tenant bought a long corded power strip with adaptor running from a wall outlet to sink counter… no GFCI and now a power strip flipping around was ok but not a permanent non GFCI receptacle 40” from the sink in a very nice 1940 custom corner lot home…

Is there any way that a GFCI breaker could be installed on the circuit in the panel, or is it a fuse box? I guess maybe even with a really old breaker panel, it might be hard/impossible to find a GFCI breaker to fit. Or if it's just a two wire system, also a no-go for GFCI breaker.

 

[grsthegreat]

Did you check out the newer thin gfci outlets available? About 1/3 less deep.

 

[ultrarunner]

Is there any way that a GFCI breaker could be installed on the circuit in the panel, or is it a fuse box? I guess maybe even with a really old breaker panel, it might be hard/impossible to find a GFCI breaker to fit. Or if it's just a two wire system, also a no-go for GFCI breaker.

Eight Fuse Box in the 1940 home and twin 60 amp pull out cartridge fuse main…

 

[ultrarunner]

Did you check out the newer thin gfci outlets available? About 1/3 less deep.

I have not… 1031 the property in 2019 for commercial…

I admit to being about 5-6 years behind most things new…

 

[Runner]

Eight Fuse Box in the 1940 home and twin 60 amp pull out cartridge fuse main…

I don't want to say it too loud, but I'm half surprised they haven't required the panel to be upgraded...

 

[caver]

But heck, at least it doesnt look something like this




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10' tap rule.

 

[California]

Eight Fuse Box in the 1940 home and twin 60 amp pull out cartridge fuse main…

FYI there are now breakers that screw in, replacing glass Edison-base fuses.

I bought a couple for a sub panel so I could respond to an insurance renewal questionaire with, 'Nope, no glass fuses here."

 

[ultrarunner]

I don't want to say it too loud, but I'm half surprised they haven't required the panel to be upgraded...

We rarely upgrade…

Some of the older neighborhood have service upgrades on hold because the 1920 poles and wires are maxed.

I can show you 1920 single family 3 bedroom homes selling for 500k with untouched 1920 30 amp electric service.

I have lived in several and never an issue… washer, dryer, refrigerator, tv, lights… no problem.

Natural Gas for hot water, cooking, heat, clothes dryer, etc…

The utility meters have brass wing nuts and 1920 install dates…

 

[ultrarunner]

FYI there are now breakers that screw in, replacing glass Edison-base fuses.

I bought a couple for a sub panel so I could respond to an insurance renewal questionaire with, 'Nope, no glass fuses here."

Now only for 15 and 20 amp circuits…

The 30 amp were regulated out of existence…