How long before Compact Diesels are obsolete?

[Snobdds]

Just curious, but how does all this Jeff Bozos, Amazon, coal fired generation relate to compact diesel tractors becoming obsolete? I read the original post, and the current conversation is a ludicrous extension of that, having zero to do with TRACTORs on TRACTOR BY NET.

It's all connected by bits and bytes...even tractors.

 

[MossRoad]

Amazon just refurbished a coal plant to power their AWS server farm in Wyoming because coal is plentiful and cheap. You know, the company that is going to be all green in 10 years.

Slight of hand is alive and well in the good ol' USA.

Got any links to that?

 

[PuffyC]

Microsoft is in the process of building their server farm and it's being ran by coal. We have the worlds largest super computer, and it too is ran off electricity powered by coal. See a trend here?

Amazon will say their green by buying carbon credits elsewhere...



Slight of hand is alive and well in the good ol' USA.

Carbon credits aren't really much of a thing any more in high tech although they've definitely relied on them in the past. And which data center is Microsoft building that will run on coal? I haven't heard of that but if you have a link maybe I can learn something today.

They recently stated that by 2025 they'll run on 100 percent renewable energy, and by 2030 they will go diesel-free as well (for the backup generators). By 2050 they also have a goal to literally remove all the carbon from the atmosphere that the company has emitted since its founding in 1975, and that includes their supply chain as well. Will they reach that goal? Time will tell but some of those carbon removal activities have already started. Microsoft isn't the only one with these types of goals either.

This is all real and it's happening today. There is no slight of hand conspiracy to simply rearrange the deck chairs while we continue to literally pump trillions of pounds of carbon into the atmosphere each year hoping it'll have no impact. Tractors will evolve and diesel engines will soon die ( <- staying on topic! ) but I see that as a good thing for reasons already stated. In the meantime I'll continue to drive my diesel tractor and my gas guzzling truck and enjoy every minute of it but I anticipate they'll be the last fossil fueled vehicles I will ever own.

 

[airbiscuit]

So back to the original thread. Electric tractors will come - gradually. Most of us TBNrs will probably use our beloved diesel CUTs untill the day we die.

Suburban warriors will love having electric SCUTs. Orchards, vineyards and nurseries will be early adopters. Farmers will too, once Deere and Fendt decide they should. 5-10 years from now Muhammad will add an Electric Tractor Forum to TBN. He is a young entrepreneur, so I can see him also starting Electric Vehicles by Net.

Future deniers aren't upset because they think Electric Tractors / Electric Vehicles might happen, but because they know it will happen.

 

[Williy]

What about all the blue gas trucks and cars???

willy

 

[ptsg]

The Farmtrac electric tractor has just been introduced here in Portugal this week.

At a price of €33500 ($40800) versus €12700 ($15500) of the diesel version, not sure how well the electric one will do. Specially considering that for some reason, the electric version loses 300 kgs (661 lbs) lifting capacity on the 3pt versus the diesel one.

The electric one uses a 18kW 3 phase electric motor to power the hydrostatic transmission and the PTO. A smaller 2.5kW motor powers the hydraulic pump for steering, 3 pt lift, remotes, etc.

 

[zzvyb6]

The O.P's premise is girded with foolishness. The energy to charge your batteries will not be available. Not enough generation capability, not sufficient transmission capability, and not enough skills to repair them, considering that they would be much higher than 48v and now just another danger to an operator: being electrocuted or burned by a mishap.

But dream on. Your ideas are riding of the 'generosity' of people who turn energy into food, appliances, and everyday living needs. The thermodynamics of your proposal alone will turn a nation into a small commune.

 

[Snobdds]

Carbon credits aren't really much of a thing any more in high tech although they've definitely relied on them in the past. And which data center is Microsoft building that will run on coal? I haven't heard of that but if you have a link maybe I can learn something today.

They recently stated that by 2025 they'll run on 100 percent renewable energy, and by 2030 they will go diesel-free as well (for the backup generators). By 2050 they also have a goal to literally remove all the carbon from the atmosphere that the company has emitted since its founding in 1975, and that includes their supply chain as well. Will they reach that goal? Time will tell but some of those carbon removal activities have already started. Microsoft isn't the only one with these types of goals either.

This is all real and it's happening today. There is no slight of hand conspiracy to simply rearrange the deck chairs while we continue to literally pump trillions of pounds of carbon into the atmosphere each year hoping it'll have no impact. Tractors will evolve and diesel engines will soon die ( <- staying on topic! ) but I see that as a good thing for reasons already stated. In the meantime I'll continue to drive my diesel tractor and my gas guzzling truck and enjoy every minute of it but I anticipate they'll be the last fossil fueled vehicles I will ever own.

here you go...

Microsoft's $750 million data center investment in Wyoming

The Cowboy State seems to be a good place for data centers, as indicated by Microsoft spending three-quarters of a billion dollars on data center operations there in the past four years.

www.techrepublic.com

 

[Snobdds]

Got any links to that?

Pacificorp may have buyer for its Dave Johnston plant | Latest Market News

A prospective buyer has emerged for PacifiCorp's Dave Johnston coal-fired power plant if the utility chooses to sell it.

www.argusmedia.com

AWS is trying to keep quite about buying it, but's it's definitely AWS.

 

[Snobdds]

Now to Glenrock petroleum's credit, they are tying do to carbon capture...which when you have AWS money behind the scenes, you can do that.

 

[airbiscuit]

That's a 2019 link. Looks like the the Dave Johnston Plant is still a dog with a 2027 retirement date.

 

[Snobdds]

That's a 2019 link. Looks like the the Dave Johnston Plant is still a dog with a 2027 retirement date.

It's a good thing the world does not revolve around links.

All you had to do was one more step on your part to find out something a little more current, I even hinted at it for you.

Carbon Capture | Glenrock Energy

Glenrock’s mission is both to address climate change and to enhance human dignity. We will undertake projects throughout the world that advance this mission.

www.glenrockpetroleum.com

Amazon will claim they carbon capture their coal emissions, which is good. If they perfect the process, coal will again provide cheap reliable power to the country.

 

[airbiscuit]

Got it. I guess I'll just make some popcorn and watch. Will Glenrock capture more carbon, or dollars from the state?

The Only Carbon Capture Coal Plant in the U.S. Just Closed​

Molly Taft
2/02/21 10:13AM

The Only Carbon Coal Capture Plant in the U.S. Just Closed

 

[Snobdds]

Got it. I guess I'll just make some popcorn and watch. Will Glenrock capture more carbon, or dollars from the state?

The Only Carbon Capture Coal Plant in the U.S. Just Closed​

Molly Taft
2/02/21 10:13AM
The Only Carbon Coal Capture Plant in the U.S. Just Closed

Clearly Molly Taft is ill-informed...or biased.

Take your pick.

 

[MossRoad]

Amazon just refurbished a coal plant to power their AWS server farm in Wyoming because coal is plentiful and cheap. You know, the company that is going to be all green in 10 years.

Slight of hand is alive and well in the good ol' USA.

Where does any of that say that the coal plant has been refurbished?

Everything I've read says it's still slated to close in 6 years (2027).

Several companies are pushing to keep it open to try and capture carbon dioxide to use to extract oil, but they're all still doing studies.

Most of the articles are at least 2 years old.

I found this one from January of this year, and it says nothing has been done yet, and the plant is still slated to be closed in 2027.

Carbon Capture Firms Pursue Power Plant Set To Retire, Though Doubt Remains

Several companies interested in making money through carbon capture are taking steps to set up shop at the Dave Johnston Power Plant in Glenrock,…

www.wyomingpublicmedia.org

 

[PuffyC]

here you go...

Microsoft's $750 million data center investment in Wyoming

The Cowboy State seems to be a good place for data centers, as indicated by Microsoft spending three-quarters of a billion dollars on data center operations there in the past four years.

www.techrepublic.com

Thanks for the link. That’s from way back in 2015 though. Here’s something more current where they say “In 2016, the company inked a deal that made the Cheyenne facility fully wind-powered.”

Wyoming: Microsoft Expansion Of Cheyenne Data Center Underway

The $200-million project in Cheyenne, announced in 2015, was not needed until this year due to improved server efficiency.

businessfacilities.com

 

[Citydude]

Where does any of that say that the coal plant has been refurbished?

Everything I've read says it's still slated to close in 6 years (2027).

Several companies are pushing to keep it open to try and capture carbon dioxide to use to extract oil, but they're all still doing studies.

Most of the articles are at least 2 years old.

I found this one from January of this year, and it says nothing has been done yet, and the plant is still slated to be closed in 2027.

Carbon Capture Firms Pursue Power Plant Set To Retire, Though Doubt Remains

Several companies interested in making money through carbon capture are taking steps to set up shop at the Dave Johnston Power Plant in Glenrock,…

www.wyomingpublicmedia.org

LOL. Wyoming PBS is heavily funded from entities outside of Wyoming along with the Powder River Resource council that do not want coal as an energy source even if it met EPA standards.

 

[PuffyC]

Amazon is struggling to meet their goals for sure but a lot of that has to do with how much they generate and how fast they’re growing. That’s both good and bad for them, and they still plan on being on 100% renewables by 2025. Amazon is such a unicorn that it’s hard to really compare them to other tech companies or other retailers so in many ways it’s much harder for them than it is for somebody like a Microsoft. I know that’s all excuses but I can tell you they’re firmly committed and coal has absolutely positively no place in their future plans, barring some miracle invention that allows you to burn all the coal you want without poisoning our atmosphere of course. Hey, you never know

 

[Snobdds]

Where does any of that say that the coal plant has been refurbished?

Everything I've read says it's still slated to close in 6 years (2027).

Several companies are pushing to keep it open to try and capture carbon dioxide to use to extract oil, but they're all still doing studies.

Most of the articles are at least 2 years old.

I found this one from January of this year, and it says nothing has been done yet, and the plant is still slated to be closed in 2027.

Carbon Capture Firms Pursue Power Plant Set To Retire, Though Doubt Remains

Several companies interested in making money through carbon capture are taking steps to set up shop at the Dave Johnston Power Plant in Glenrock,…

www.wyomingpublicmedia.org

Anything pro coal and big tech is heavily scrubbed of internet things. I guess a person has to be on the ground to know what's happening.

There is not enough wind capacity to power all these centers. Their trying, but it's far from being close. When you have Lowes, Amazon, Walmart, a super computer, Microsoft all competing for 75 windmills power...the math doesn't add up. However they are in the state with the lowest energy cost because of something.

They had to build a giant sub station to handle the load...two years later they had to build a second one. With direct high capacity lines running due north...

 

[Snobdds]

Thanks for the link. That’s from way back in 2015 though. Here’s something more current where they say “In 2016, the company inked a deal that made the Cheyenne facility fully wind-powered.”

Wyoming: Microsoft Expansion Of Cheyenne Data Center Underway

The $200-million project in Cheyenne, announced in 2015, was not needed until this year due to improved server efficiency.

businessfacilities.com

I have beach front property too...