How long before Compact Diesels are obsolete?

[PuffyC]

I take it you think an electric motor lasts forever. I work on industrial motors for many years. They do wear out. And these are motors that run far shorter time than an automobile will.

Never said they last forever, I'm just going by what Tesla is estimating which is an average 500,000 mile lifespan for the motors they use. Even if it was only half that it would still almost double today's average lifespan for a gasoline powered passenger car engine which is around 150,000 miles. Tesla's Model S battery/drivetrain warranty is 8 years and 150,000 miles, during which no maintenance is required other than for brakes and the AC.

I mow about 7 acres every week for 6 months out of the year and have been doing it with a gas powered ZTR for 4 years. Each mow takes at least an additional hour of trimming and blowing and whatnot, all done with battery powered electrics, and I've never had a single problem with any of it. I did have to buy a new battery for some of the old Greenworks stuff I bought 5 years ago but it was only $50 off Amazon and it can power 6 different pieces of equipment. I spend more than that each month just buying gas for the mower.

 

[4570Man]

Never said they last forever, I'm just going by what Tesla is estimating which is an average 500,000 mile lifespan for the motors they use. Even if it was only half that it would still almost double today's average lifespan for a gasoline powered passenger car engine which is around 150,000 miles. Tesla's Model S battery/drivetrain warranty is 8 years and 150,000 miles, during which no maintenance is required other than for brakes and the AC.

I mow about 7 acres every week for 6 months out of the year and have been doing it with a gas powered ZTR for 4 years. Each mow takes at least an additional hour of trimming and blowing and whatnot, all done with battery powered electrics, and I've never had a single problem with any of it. I did have to buy a new battery for some of the old Greenworks stuff I bought 5 years ago but it was only $50 off Amazon and it can power 6 different pieces of equipment. I spend more than that each month just buying gas for the mower.

Where are you getting your information that gas engines die at 150k miles? That’s far from the truth.

 

[PuffyC]

Where are you getting your information that gas engines die at 150k miles? That’s far from the truth.

Google.com. The top result is this which states:

”While there is no absolute rule when it comes to how long engines will last, there are a few general figures that can give you a rough idea about what to expect from your car. For some time, the average lifespan of a car’s engine was eight years, or 150,000 miles. New designs, better technology and improved service standards in recent years have increased this average life expectancy to about 200,000 miles, or about 10 years.”

Of course estimates vary because no one keeps actual stats, plus lifespan for an ICE are incredibly dependent on all that maintenance always being done correctly and always being done at all the right intervals, but if you have data regarding “the truth” please share. You won’t find anyone who would even dream of claiming the average passenger car ICE will go anywhere close to 500,000 miles as Tesla officially claims for their motors, but even if they did all of that completely misses the point anyway.

 

[grsthegreat]

Never said they last forever, I'm just going by what Tesla is estimating which is an average 500,000 mile lifespan for the motors they use. Even if it was only half that it would still almost double today's average lifespan for a gasoline powered passenger car engine which is around 150,000 miles. Tesla's Model S battery/drivetrain warranty is 8 years and 150,000 miles, during which no maintenance is required other than for brakes and the AC.

I mow about 7 acres every week for 6 months out of the year and have been doing it with a gas powered ZTR for 4 years. Each mow takes at least an additional hour of trimming and blowing and whatnot, all done with battery powered electrics, and I've never had a single problem with any of it. I did have to buy a new battery for some of the old Greenworks stuff I bought 5 years ago but it was only $50 off Amazon and it can power 6 different pieces of equipment. I spend more than that each month just buying gas for the mower.

150,000 mi...really. thats when i changes the spark plugs on my gasoline engine. i think your comfusing 1970 engines with todays units. my truck now has 330,000 miles on it by the way.

 

[Williy]

I have seen Mercedes Benz cars with over 1 million
miles on and a lot of them with over 500 thousand
miles. IMHO the diesel tractors are going to be like
mr choo choo! mini diesels that run generators for electric motors for go go! How ever I really don't see an electric tractor in the very near future as they can ever get a battery that will be small enough the contain all the power to run an electric tractor so I don't even think about it. The diesel engines that mr choo choo has read the pistons are 9 to 10 inches and weight 50 lbs hernia time!

willy

 

[joecoin]

Yeah for a car perhaps. But are you really gonna trailer your tractor to any "ubiquitous" point just to replace a battery that you didn't get 6 hrs of work out of?
It certainly isn't going to be just the size of a car battery.
A Tesla battery weighs half a ton.
You'd need about 30 ninety year old women.

No, I'll put the discharged battery in the pickup bed. Or have my own charging station (more likely).

I've already got two 90 year old gals, I'll have to look around for 28 more, wish me luck.

 

[arrow]

No, I'll put the discharged battery in the pickup bed. Or have my own charging station (more likely).

I've already got two 90 year old gals, I'll have to look around for 28 more, wish me luck.

You're lucky to have the two.
I have a 96 yr old aunt who welded in WW II. She could teach me a few things.
And good luck lifting that battery. (who are we kidding, we'll never see this in our life times)
I think we're talking about different tractors. I see lawn tractors battery powered and soon.
But if I need to drag out a 4000 lb oak tree with my 5000 lb tractor, that might take a while for the proper battery.

 

[4570Man]

150,000 mi...really. thats when i changes the spark plugs on my gasoline engine. i think your comfusing 1970 engines with todays units. my truck now has 330,000 miles on it by the way.

Exactly. The last vehicle I sold had over 300k with the stock transmission behind it. Claiming a gas vehicle that was built in the last 20 years that’s had even averagely poor maintenance only last 150k miles is bs. Assuming they aren’t wreaked or suffer some other owner induced failure they’ll go 300k plus.

 

[Snobdds]

The batteries are still not there. There will not be a change over until batteries can hold bigger and longer charge times.

No matter how much people want...the physics of election storing is not going to replace anything anytime soon.

We need to harness the energy of splitting of atoms...then it will change.

 

[Fixastuff]

The batteries are still not there. There will not be a change over until batteries can hold bigger and longer charge times.

No matter how much people want...the physics of election storing is not going to replace anything anytime soon.

We need to harness the energy of splitting of atoms...then it will change.

I amazed at how sure people are that certain things can't be done!

Manufacturer s sure seem to think they will. Audi/VW is ending development on all ICE engines except the one they use in competition.

 

[Snobdds]

I amazed at how sure people are that certain things can't be done!

Manufacturer s sure seem to think they will. Audi/VW is ending development on all ICE engines except the one they use in competition.

I'm all for people voting with their wallets. Lets see if they can make it work.

I hope their engineers visit the American West...

Now would be a good time to invest in rebuilding gas/diesel motors. Their might be a huge future market for this service.

 

[airbiscuit]

Shareholders are voting with their wallets - recognizing the death throes of coal and diminished future for Big Oil (unless they reinvent themselves)

 

[Snobdds]

Shareholders are voting with their wallets - recognizing the death throes of coal and diminished future for Big Oil (unless they reinvent themselves)

Who do you think will provide all the energy for the all the EV's?

Slight of hand is alive and well in the good ol' USA.

 

[airbiscuit]

If you believe coal has a bright future, by all means invest in coal mines or coal stock. The percentage of electricity generated in the US continues to plummet and each year, more coal fired power plants are retired. Cheap natural gas has been a toxin to toxic coal. I feel badly for the coal miners, but the writing is on the wall. Adapt, reskill, relocate, or accept a diminished future. RIP dirty coal.

 

[Snobdds]

If you believe coal has a bright future, by all means invest in coal mines or coal stock. The percentage of electricity generated in the US continues to plummet and each year, more coal fired power plants are retired. Cheap natural gas has been a toxin to toxic coal. I feel badly for the coal miners, but the writing is on the wall. Adapt, reskill, relocate, or accept a diminished future. RIP dirty coal.

Amazon just refurbished a coal plant to power their AWS server farm in Wyoming because coal is plentiful and cheap. You know, the company that is going to be all green in 10 years.

Slight of hand is alive and well in the good ol' USA.

 

[lman]

So the price of our electricity goes up so that Amazon can make another billion.

 

[Snobdds]

So the price of our electricity goes up so that Amazon can make another billion.

I'm not sure I follow your logic here.

Amazon is actually utilizing the cheapest and most reliable form of electricity to provide a product people want in a cheap and reliable fashion.

How is that impacting your electricity rates?

 

[airbiscuit]

Not surprised that Wyoming is trying to protect coal, but which coal fired power plant does Amazon own? If you're right about coal's renaissance, you could make a killing in the market. Looks to me that Amazon is betting on renewables.

 

[3 Horse Ranch]

Not surprised that Wyoming is trying to protect coal, but which coal fired power plant does Amazon own? If you're right about coal's renaissance, you could make a killing in the market. Looks to me that Amazon is betting on renewables.

Just curious, but how does all this Jeff Bozos, Amazon, coal fired generation relate to compact diesel tractors becoming obsolete? I read the original post, and the current conversation is a ludicrous extension of that, having zero to do with TRACTORs on TRACTOR BY NET.

 

[Snobdds]

Not surprised that Wyoming is trying to protect coal, but which coal fired power plant does Amazon own? If you're right about coal's renaissance, you could make a killing in the market. Looks to me that Amazon is betting on renewables.

Wyoming will market it's coal to any wanting customers. Amazon is a wanting customer.

Microsoft is in the process of building their server farm and it's being ran by coal. We have the worlds largest super computer, and it too is ran off electricity powered by coal. See a trend here?

Amazon will say their green by buying carbon credits elsewhere...



Slight of hand is alive and well in the good ol' USA.