THIS is how you handle porch thieves

[RalphVa]

We had a couple boxes opened. Guess they didn't like what they saw and didn't take anything. These were big boxes.

Found out there were some box thieves in the area. So, we bought a plastic box and put it outside our gate with signs on P.O. box to put deliveries in it and sign on the box itself. Works great. Out-of-sight-out-of-mind, it removes their temptation. Good place to put things for others to pick up, too.

 

[ultrarunner]

Neighbor is 101 today... quite a guy.

Birthday Cards scattered around neighborhood as they were pried out of mailbox...

I have a mailbox remote that came with the house... it signals and illuminates a light inside every time mailbox drop is opened...

Sometimes it goes off at one in the morning and sure enough someone had just opened it... motion activates lights too...

Box is strong but some are finding whole box taken... we are city but with roadside boxes...

Have important mail to Mom's as her drop is in garage door...

 

[Sigarms]

Neighbor is 101 today... quite a guy.

Birthday Cards scattered around neighborhood as they were pried out of mailbox...

I have a mailbox remote that came with the house... it signals and illuminates a light inside every time mailbox drop is opened...

Sometimes it goes off at one in the morning and sure enough someone had just opened it... motion activates lights too...

Box is strong but some are finding whole box taken... we are city but with roadside boxes...

Have important mail to Mom's as her drop is in garage door...

Please don't take this the wrong way, but you and every other good person needs to move far away.

Then what I would say may get this thread deleted.

You're area sounds more than depressing, and my fear is human nature being human nature, perhaps 500 years from now after I'm long gone, our area becomes like yours.

 

[ultrarunner]

Not meant to depress... only canary in the mine...

I've heard it said things half to get bad before better

Just when I think we are approaching rock bottom we are still dropping.

Never been one to cut and run and lord knows I have spent plenty of late nights at city council meetings...

Maybe I'm the eternal optimist?

In any event I'm here to help mom as long as it takes... roots go back 125 years...

 

[Citydude]

Not meant to depress... only canary in the mine...

I've heard it said things half to get bad before better

Just when I think we are approaching rock bottom we are still dropping.

Never been one to cut and run and lord knows I have spent plenty of late nights at city council meetings...

Maybe I'm the eternal optimist?

In any event I'm here to help mom as long as it takes... roots go back 125 years...

Your mom raised a good man. Be well and be safe.

 

[tradosaurus]

I don't disagree with you, but when I see a man with a gun who I don't know, and he's looking directly at me (particularly if I'm on his property without his permission), generally the first things that would never pop in my head are

1 - He would never shoot me because he doesn't want to deal with the legal issue.

2 - Debate the caliber of the handgun or rifle to determine if the caliber could actually kill me (we all know a .380 is useless).

3 - Wonder how much he paid for the gun because cheap guns can never shoot straight.

That is why I qualified my statement with "if it wasn't a life threatening event". The video used in this thread showed a woman stealing a package and the homeowner coming out and threatening the thief with a gun. Had the thief just kept walking to her car and he shot her this would be murder in the eyes of most prosecuting attorneys.

Don't get me wrong. I think a thief should be hung on the spot and left to rot as an example to others but that's not the society we live in.

Minneapolis homeowner convicted

 

[Hay Dude]

I think an enterprising person is going to invent a ”porch package vault” where packages can go into a reinforced steel box, but can’t come out with a key.
It will probably be offered by Amazon, if it already hasn’t been invented, and I‘m sure ol Jeff will laugh his way to the bank as the richest, most powerful man in history.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

I do know one thing; if you use deadly force against someone, you best do your homework first. Under common law, it was always legal to shoot first and ask questions later if someone broke into your home, at night, when you were there. There was a legal presumption that they were there to do you harm. Different states vary widely in their castle doctrine, and most have been altered by statute.

There was a case here where a Pharmacist was being robbed at gunpoint; he shot both robbers. One, as I recall got out of the store and was captured later, the other one, who was disabled, he went back and delivered the coup de gras. He was tried and convicted, because the guy no longer posed a threat.

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[Sigarms]

I think an enterprising person is going to invent a ”porch package vault” where packages can go into a reinforced steel box, but can’t come out with a key.
It will probably be offered by Amazon, if it already hasn’t been invented, and I‘m sure ol Jeff will laugh his way to the bank as the richest, most powerful man in history.

See below

One thing I'm grateful for is we stuck to our guns (no pun inteneded) when my wife and I looked for a home together.

We wanted at least 10 acres, with the home NOT within a stones throw of the road.

With the gravel road, if anyone comes down our driveway, someone in the house will generally know along with the dogs.

What I don't get is that last video I posted, the thief was actually driving a somewhat nice, new looking car. I just don't get how people could intentionally steel from someone house without even know what their steeling to begin with (not that knowing what you're steeling makes a differene in being a theif LOL).

 

[Sigarms]

I do know one thing; if you use deadly force against someone, you best do your homework first. Under common law, it was always legal to shoot first and ask questions later if someone broke into your home, at night, when you were there. There was a legal presumption that they were there to do you harm. Different states vary widely in their castle doctrine, and most have been altered by statute.

There was a case here where a Pharmacist was being robbed at gunpoint; he shot both robbers. One, as I recall got out of the store and was captured later, the other one, who was disabled, he went back and delivered the coup de gras. He was tried and convicted, because the guy no longer posed a threat.

Oklahoma pharmacist convicted of murder moved to different prison

OKLAHOMA CITY (KFOR) – An Oklahoma pharmacist who was convicted of murder has now been moved to a different prison, according to online records. Jerome Ersland is serving a life sentence afte…

kfor.com

Robber was shot once in the head, then the guy defending the store left the store to go after the second robber. 45 seconds later the defender comes back into the store, then grabs another gun and then shoots the guy laying on the floor already shot once in the head another five times???

That was an execution IMO.

If the defended would of just loaded 5 more rounds into the guy on the floor after he was shot in the head, he would of had a better chance of arguing self defense IMO, and even then it could be iffy iffy.

 

[2LaneCruzer]

Robber was shot once in the head, then the guy defending the store left the store to go after the second robber. 45 seconds later the defender comes back into the store, then grabs another gun and then shoots the guy laying on the floor already shot once in the head another five times???

That was an execution IMO.

If the defended would of just loaded 5 more rounds into the guy on the floor after he was shot in the head, he would of had a better chance of arguing self defense IMO, and even then it could be iffy iffy.

I think the Prosecutor would agree with you. That's not what the pharmacist argued, but it seems clear to me. I have little sympathy for armed robbers who get what's coming to them, but I think the jury was probably correct on this one.

 

[Fuddy1952]

Many years ago I sold car stereos and had a couple stolen from display case near the door. Then I rigged one so when you turned it on it would fry the car wiring, fry the speakers and a smoke bomb would go off.
That was the last one ever stolen.
I was explaining it to several police and detectives...I heard all the laughter, turned around and then they had solemn expressions.

 

[Sigarms]

Many years ago I sold car stereos and had a couple stolen from display case near the door. Then I rigged one so when you turned it on it would fry the car wiring, fry the speakers and a smoke bomb would go off.
That was the last one ever stolen.
I was explaining it to several police and detectives...I heard all the laughter, turned around and then they had solemn expressions.

You rig something to go off to do damage to others because you know someone is going to possibly steel it, a good chance you will go to jail.

You're lucky only the car wiring was fried. If someone was injured, a good chance even back then you could get arrested.

That said, not proud of it now, but many decades ago when I pumped gas for work, always looked forward to the late shift on Friday and Saturday night around 0100-0200. White van from Jersey (gas station was in Pa) would generally pull into looking for a free tank of gas. The reward was if fill the tank up at no charge, you'd get your pick of brand new car stereo equipment (in a box, virgin new) at no cost for whatever the full tank would cost you. Guys would just cover the gas on their own dime and get stereo equipment.

No one ever asked questions, and the guy was actually very nice.

In my defense, I never took anything because I didn't actually own my own car back then (man, thinking about Carry's 69 Camero and Steves 72 Monte Carlo and helping them work on it when time allowed on weekend nights at "work" gives me a new appreciattion of those cars), but as a kid, it was cool looking at everything loaded in that van brand spanking new.

However, I never said anything to the owner's son about it because I always thought he was jerk, added I wasn't going to be "that guy" who finked on anyone.

 

[the old grind]

You passed, but appear to have little experience with Hi-Point and other cheap guns that shoot well. (fixed barrel, got Makarov?)

I doubt if spending twice as much is the sure way to cut group sizes in half.

btw, my most accurate .22 RF HG is the Heritage Rough Rider vs the Taurus revo or the Ruger semi-auto. Interesting that all three like or dislike the same ammo.

 

[Sigarms]

You passed, but appear to have little experience with Hi-Point and other cheap guns that shoot well. (fixed barrel, got Makarov?)

Have to ask, exactly what post are you responding to???

If by chance your are responding to my post per #80 per this thread, I apologize if you can't tell, I was being sarcastic a#1 and #2 was a dead giveaway.

 

[the old grind]

I did read your post that far off the mark, sorry. (doh!)

That said, I blame lack of trigger time for my declining mental state.

 

[Industrial Toys]

I cry foul on the rigged stereo story. Any stereo feed would have a modest fuse. Hardly going to ruin the cars wiring. And combined speaker resistance would also blow the supply fuse before damaging the speakers. Smoke Bomb? P L E A S E.

And IF you did booby trap a car stereo today, you would be surely labelled a domestic terrorist.

 

[the old grind]

IT, it's too easy to re-wire speaker outlets internally to get 12v when the power is switched on, and it'd take a lot less than the 10a or so a radio is fused for to cook voice coils with that much DC.

When no sound comes out people wiggle all the controls. I suspect that it was a long time ago, too.

 

[Industrial Toys]

Combined, four speakers?, would be 2 ohm, @ 13.8 volts, = 6.9 amps, BUT the circuit was supposedly SHORTED to DESTROY the car wiring.

 

[two_bit_score]

I wonder what happened to the old criminal defense lawyer tactic to defend a shooter of a criminal that his clinent should be found not guilty because the deceased was such a bad character that “ he needed killing”.

I’ve actually seen that tactic successfully used.