Want to buy a dump trailer, kinda torn here.

[Hay Dude]

I like these for heavy construction debris

2021 PJ Trailers HD Low-Pro Dump (DE) 16' D188 | Fayette Trailers LLC

2021 Lamar 7x16' Gooseneck Dump Trailer 21000# GVW * DUAL JACKS * FULL TOOLBOX * OIL BATH * REAR JACKSTANDS * 7GA FLOOR * TRIPLE AXLE * TARP KIT * OVERSIZE 6X21.5" SCISSOR HOIST * CHARCOAL * RIGID RAILS * NESTLED I-BEAM FRAME 28" H * 12" O.C. C/M | B

<p>Unit is equipped with several upgrades, including: <br />Oversize 6x21.5 scissor hoist (rated over 11 tons) <br />Dual 12K jacks <br />7GA Floor <br />Charcoal powdercoat with black wheels <br />Tarp kit <br />Undermount ramps <br />12" O.C. floor <br />rear jackstands <br />Oil bath hubs <b

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[Fallon]

You can easily pull a GN behind a tractor

A 3pt trailer mover should hitch right up. But a 3pt trailer mover for a bumper pull can get you into a lot of trouble. On slopes or stopping hard they can lift the 3pt, drastically change the center of gravity & roll the tractor. Or the trailer can get stuck but the tractor keeps going, causing it to do a wheelie in a split second. Fine & plenty safe for moving a tractor around a flat yard at slow speed. Sketchy for a full load off road.

Always hitch a heavy trailer to the drawbar that's mounted below the axle. If the trailer gets stuck it pulls the whole machine into the ground. If the trailer is mounted above the axle, the rear of the tractor can drive right out from under the tractor & flip.

 

[Jackstack76]

Well, it’s the weekend. I fully admit not reading the whole 14 pages....

I have a curiosity here.
Why are you going brand new trailer?
Have you decided to go GN yet, or are you still on the fence?

I used to be an OTR driver trainer, 5th & GN are so much easier on my brain and anxiety. I have seen too many BP fiascos.

And are you also looking at brand new skid steer as well?

Im going to buy brand new for a couple reasons, get exactly what I want and I rarely see them for sale used around me. One popped up last night for sale but is was beat to hell and back.

I’m going to go with the gooseneck, seems to make more sense for the heavier loads, plus I have a 10K bumper pull tilt trailer for other stuff and I ca haul a smaller skid steer on that or whatever else I want.

The skid steer purchase will be down the road, all that’s up in the air for now.

 

[LD1]

Here’s a REALLY nice dump trailer for the OP

2021 Lamar 7x16' Gooseneck Dump Trailer 16000# GVW * 8000# AXLE UPGRADE * 17.5 RUBBER * OVERSIZE 6x21.5 SCISSOR * 7 GAUGE FLOOR * RIGID RAILS * DELUXE TARP * COMBO GATE * I-BEAM FRAME | Best Choice Trailers & RVs | Locations in Pittsburgh & Harrisbur

<p>THIS IS A LOADED HEAVY DUTY DUMP TRAILER THAT IS A GREAT HYBRID BETWEEN A TYPICAL 14K DUMP, AND SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS (EXPENSE AND WEIGHT) THAN A DUAL TANDEM. IT'S A GREAT AND RARE "TWEENER" MODEL THAT FITS PERFECTLY BETWEEN THOSE 2 MODELS. YOU GET THE HOIST/FRAME/FLOOR GAUGE/RUBBER/B

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if he overloaded it once in a while, the axles, tires and hoist can handle it. The floor is extra tough for dropping rocks into.

Ouch....thats pricy

 

[Jackstack76]

I would go with gooseneck and a 20ft dump that has 2ft sides like 7ftx20ft with 3 7k axles! If you go higher than 2ft sides do you have a loader that can reach and dump over 4ft into center of the trailer? With 3 axles the weight is spread out more front to back less goes onto the truck but enough to not be tail heavy! If you plan to get a skid steer and pull it in dump trailer you will probably be looking for a 1 ton soon afterwards! Plus difference between 14k and 21k is not much empty so it will be how you load it! I pulled a 20ft 21k bumper behind my 3/4 ton truck it was fine just have to drive with it in mind! Now have 1ton and gooseneck dump trailer that is 8ftx22ft with 4ft sides and 26k ! Look at the empty weight of those 14ft 14k trailers and see how much dirt or rocks that actually is! On my old 21k it can have about 15k loaded into it because it weights 6k empty if the 14k trailer weights 4 to 5k that's only 10k of dirt! So for every 2 trips in one its 3 in the other! Thats at 5mpg so all the extra trips add up fast!
Hope this helps good luck in deciding! J

Ive never pulled a triple axel trailer, guy at work had one and said he sold it shortly after. Said it wasn’t as easy to turn and back up as his other two axel trailers.

 

[Jackstack76]

Here’s a REALLY nice dump trailer for the OP

2021 Lamar 7x16' Gooseneck Dump Trailer 16000# GVW * 8000# AXLE UPGRADE * 17.5 RUBBER * OVERSIZE 6x21.5 SCISSOR * 7 GAUGE FLOOR * RIGID RAILS * DELUXE TARP * COMBO GATE * I-BEAM FRAME | Best Choice Trailers & RVs | Locations in Pittsburgh & Harrisbur

<p>THIS IS A LOADED HEAVY DUTY DUMP TRAILER THAT IS A GREAT HYBRID BETWEEN A TYPICAL 14K DUMP, AND SOMETHING A LITTLE LESS (EXPENSE AND WEIGHT) THAN A DUAL TANDEM. IT'S A GREAT AND RARE "TWEENER" MODEL THAT FITS PERFECTLY BETWEEN THOSE 2 MODELS. YOU GET THE HOIST/FRAME/FLOOR GAUGE/RUBBER/B

www.bestchoicetrailers.com

if he overloaded it once in a while, the axles, tires and hoist can handle it. The floor is extra tough for dropping rocks into.

The ones I’m looking at are a bit lighter than that one, besides the crazy price I wouldn’t be gaining much over a 14k one.

 

[nisaacs]

The bumper pulls will go ALOT of places the GN simply wont. Narrow back roads, driveways need about a 35' approach to make the swing with a GN. Bumper pulls follow the truck path ALOT better. Dont have to worry as much about the trailer cutting a driveway short and crushing someones culvert or gashing trailer tires if its a galvanized culvert.

Dont know if GN dump trailers being shorter overall if there is as much difference as there is with longer equipment trailers? But I deliver quite a bit of firewood on the above dump trailer. And I have been in a few drives that it was tight even being a BP. If I had a GN.....not sure I would have made it.

I agree.

Propane tanks, their house, garage, trees, fence post, decoration stuff all in the way, railroad ties lining the driveway, about 9' wide with "S" curves.

To say a gooseneck will out maneuver a bumper pull is just not so. If you have 40 acres of wide open field, then yes, you can put a gooseneck anywhere.

 

[azbinder]

Guess I'll throw my .02 cents worth in here.

#1 IIRC, a CDL is required if the GCWR is 26001 and over. I had a 2004 Dodge 3500 quad cab dually that had a GVW of 13500# and a 25' gooseneck flatbed with a GVW of 14000#. Even though I was not commercial, I would still had to have a CDL since my "total" GCVW was 27500#.

#2 If you go with a GN, consider having a fifth wheel pin installed on the trailer and using a 5th wheel RV style hitch. It is a lot easier to back into a 5th wheel than trying to line up to a ball in the bed that you can't see. Keep in mind that a large number of the 5th wheel style RV trailers have GVW's that are or exceed 18000#, so the hitch capacity won't be an issue.

 

[Hay Dude]

The ones I’m looking at are a bit lighter than that one, besides the crazy price I wouldn’t be gaining much over a 14k one.

Did you see the 8kaxles/big brakes/17.5 wheels & tires and 6”hoist on that trailer? And a 7ga floor, too.
I don’t think a 14k is in the same league, but if you don’t need that heavy built of a trailer, I understand
I was under the impression you wanted a 16’, 16k and would love to break your bank account, so I figured WTH, right? Its built like a tank, though, so yeah>more $

 

[Hay Dude]

I agree.

Propane tanks, their house, garage, trees, fence post, decoration stuff all in the way, railroad ties lining the driveway, about 9' wide with "S" curves.

To say a gooseneck will out maneuver a bumper pull is just not so. If you have 40 acres of wide open field, then yes, you can put a gooseneck anywhere.

Meh...that’s a bit of an overstatement. I cant get my GN in some pretty tight places.....just gotta know how/when to turn

But it will not outmaneuver a BP all the time, for sure.

 

[Hay Dude]

The ones I’m looking at are a bit lighter than that one, besides the crazy price I wouldn’t be gaining much over a 14k one.

Here’s their 14k
7ga floor, 7k oil baths, dual jacks.

2021 Lamar 7x16' Gooseneck Dump Trailer 14000# GVW * DUAL JACKS * FULL TOOLBOX * OIL BATH * REAR JACKSTANDS * 7GA FLOOR * 14-PLY TIRES * TARP KIT * SCISSOR HOIST * CHARCOAL * RIGID RAILS * NESTLED I-BEAM FRAME 28" H * 3-WAY GATE * 12" O.C. C/M | Best

<p><strong>Unit is equipped with several upgrades, including:</strong> <br /><br></p><ul><li>Dual 12K jacks</li><li>7GA Floor</li><li>Charcoal powdercoat with black wheels</li><li>Tarp kit</li><li>Undermount ramps</li><li>14-ply rubber</li><li>12" O.C. floor</li><li>rear jackstands</li><li>Oil

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[Hay Dude]

Im going to buy brand new for a couple reasons, get exactly what I want and I rarely see them for sale used around me. One popped up last night for sale but is was beat to hell and back.

I’m going to go with the gooseneck, seems to make more sense for the heavier loads, plus I have a 10K bumper pull tilt trailer for other stuff and I ca haul a smaller skid steer on that or whatever else I want.

The skid steer purchase will be down the road, all that’s up in the air for now.

Some of the dumps are only 80“ wide. That limits the skid seer front attachment width

 

[nikerret]

It seems bumper pulls doing better, in tight places, going forward. Goosenecks do better, in tight places, going backwards.

 

[nisaacs]

Meh...that’s a bit of an overstatement. I cant get my GN in some pretty tight places.....just gotta know how/when to turn

But it will not outmaneuver a BP all the time, for sure.

Not really. If there is no room for the tow vehicle to steer the gooseneck you got a tough row to hoe. The slightest sideways front end movement on the tow vehicle will immediately steer the bumper pull, not happening on a gooseneck. It will need several feet of tow vehicle travel to steer the gooseneck trailer. And yes, I know when/how to handle a gooseneck.

 

[Hay Dude]

Not really. If there is no room for the tow vehicle to steer the gooseneck you got a tough row to hoe. The slightest sideways front end movement on the tow vehicle will immediately steer the bumper pull, not happening on a gooseneck. It will need several feet of tow vehicle travel to steer the gooseneck trailer. And yes, I know when/how to handle a gooseneck.

Note I said “cant get my GN in some pretty tight places”
also, Referring to your 40 acres of field comment. I can work in an area a lot smaller than that. Lol

 

[nisaacs]

Note I said “cant get my GN in some pretty tight places”
also, Referring to your 40 acres of field comment. I can work in an area a lot smaller than that. Lol

Yes, I can too but reference the Dave Dudley song

 

[LD1]

Guess I'll throw my .02 cents worth in here.

#1 IIRC, a CDL is required if the GCWR is 26001 and over. I had a 2004 Dodge 3500 quad cab dually that had a GVW of 13500# and a 25' gooseneck flatbed with a GVW of 14000#. Even though I was not commercial, I would still had to have a CDL since my "total" GCVW was 27500#.

#2 If you go with a GN, consider having a fifth wheel pin installed on the trailer and using a 5th wheel RV style hitch. It is a lot easier to back into a 5th wheel than trying to line up to a ball in the bed that you can't see. Keep in mind that a large number of the 5th wheel style RV trailers have GVW's that are or exceed 18000#, so the hitch capacity won't be an issue

#2....really uncommon. Hitch adds extra cost....and is a PITA if you arent already a camper person. Hogs up bed space. Cannot just unhook and have an empty bed. Gotta pull the heavy hitch out....and still have the rails. I have had two extended cab dodge trucks....both I could see the GN ball from the drivers seat. Simple to hook up. And if not....a $50 Chinese backup cam is less hassle and cheaper than dealing with a 5th wheel hitch. Just my 2 cents

 

[electrycmonk]

#2....really uncommon. Hitch adds extra cost....and is a PITA if you arent already a camper person. Hogs up bed space. Cannot just unhook and have an empty bed. Gotta pull the heavy hitch out....and still have the rails. I have had two extended cab dodge trucks....both I could see the GN ball from the drivers seat. Simple to hook up. And if not....a $50 Chinese backup cam is less hassle and cheaper than dealing with a 5th wheel hitch. Just my 2 cents

Or the twin tennis balls on magnet antennas? (In case they have a big cross bed toolbox etal)

 

[Rock Crawler]

Almost all newer trucks now have factory 5th wheel/ GN prep with added cameras in the third brake light to see the GN ball. I back up to my GN alone in one attempt every time using the factory camera.

I have a 14" bumper pull, my next will be a GN triple 7 dump, but I don't expect to need to mess with the CDL crap or combined registration. I'm in an area that doesn't mess with you, and I don't see me needing to leave my area. I think a lot of the determination depends on where you live and how the police do or don't look for that stuff.

 

[mike peyerl]

Wanting to buy a dump trailer, I’ve wanted one for a while as it would be handy. My buddies and I could have used one many times for various things. I’m also humoring some sort of side hustle if I get one. I have a newer 3/4 ton Silverado gas truck with the 6.0 and 4:10’s out back. If I buy one I’m just going to go for one in the 14k trim.

I see a lot of guys pulling these things and nine times out of ten they’re a bumper pull. Toss a skid steer in one and unless you’ve got a one ton Dually I see a lot of these trucks with the front end reaching for the moon. Obviously they cold have loaded it a little tongue heavy ect.

I don’t have a skid steer but that’s another purchase down the road. That said I do have a 20 foot bumper pull electric tilt speedloader in 10k trim so that’s probably more ideal for hauling/loading/unloading a skid steer.

What I’m torn on is if I should go 12 or 14 foot. Should I go for the gooseneck? I’ve never pulled a gooseneck before, I get the obvious pros and cons to one. With my truck now it’s rated for 14k which I think is a stretch for it being a gas truck. Just seems if you loaded a 14k dump trailer to the max with a bumper pull that might get sketchy especially with such a short trailer.

Price wise I’m another 675$ to go gooseneck, drop in the bucket compared to the price of the trailer already. If a guy could have both bumper pull and a gooseneck that would be great but that’s not a option for now. I should also add I don’t have a gooseneck hitch in my truck so I’ll be out another 600$ or so for that.

Just need some guidance thanks in advance!

I have a 12 ft 12k trailer and when I was shopping for one I had to consider empty weight of the trailer and the weight of the load you can put in when you go to a 14k trailer the empty weight goes up so it's not like you can actually put another 2000lbs in it