Buying Advice Used JD 110 vs everything else

[moparrob]

Dangit....the one I wanted got away. How hard is it to add quick attach to the backhoe? I understand aux hydraulics arent practical to add, but is it expensive to add the quick attach bucket...uhhh...bracket....thing?

 

[ultrarunner]

Dangit....the one I wanted got away. How hard is it to add quick attach to the backhoe? I understand aux hydraulics arent practical to add, but is it expensive to add the quick attach bucket...uhhh...bracket....thing?

Don't know... I do change backhoe buckets and I don't have the quick attach.

Doesn't take long... just not as convenient.

I find for my soil/projects the 18" is my bucket of choice... the 12" packs so tight I have to chisel the adobe soil to empty it and the 24" is just too big for my serpentine rock areas.

 

[AKfish]

Dangit....the one I wanted got away. How hard is it to add quick attach to the backhoe? I understand aux hydraulics arent practical to add, but is it expensive to add the quick attach bucket...uhhh...bracket....thing?

Check around on www.jdparts.com. (I'm gonna bet it's gonna be baaaddd!)

AKfish

 

[DocDryden]

ebay has two for sale


John Deere 35D 35g Mini Excavator Quick Attach Coupler 7046950J 9763054J 110TLB | eBay


John Deere 35D G 25 Mini Excavator Quick Connect Attach Bucket Coupler 7046950 | eBay

 

[jenkinsph]

Thought I would jump in here to clarify a few things, (since I know so much)
IIRC the 7200+ weight rating for the 110 is with a box blade on the rear.
With the backhoe configuration the weight is was listed as 7600.
Other add on such as heavy duty buckets and hydraulic options will add more weight to the base weight.
Removing the standard rops and installing the Laurin cab with ac adds about 500 to 600 lbs is my GUESS.
Without the front bucket, no box blade or backhoe the base 110 weighs roughly 5500 lbs.
I was confused about this 10 years ago and had to do some fact checking before I bought mine.

While the 110tlb is industrial yellow it was marketed through the green dealers not the industrial dealers. The green dealers are the ones to contact for parts/repair and support.
Having both a 4520 cab (2009) and a 110tlb with Laurin cab (2005) I can also verify that the telescopic hitch arms on a 4520 can be used on a 110tlb. That makes hooking up a heavy box blade a lot easier to do. The topntilt kit for a 110tlb and a 4520 is also the same, the upgraded stabilizers might be slightly different but is an easy retrofit.

The backhoe quick coupler is easy to install just unpin the pin on bucket and pin on the adaptor. Then you have to have the quick coupler buckets which are not cheap either.

If you plan on using the backhoe on a 110 don't fill the rear tires, not needed or recommended by Deere. You can fill the tires or add weights if the use is fel and 3ph use only. For loader use Deere recommends a 1200lb rear weight on the 3ph in lieu of the backhoe. The 84" 1260 lb. box blade (Gannon/Frontier) meets this requirement.

Just a suggestion but if you are working on job sites as I do plan on the 110 with buckets, forks and what not weighing in around 9000+ lbs. You need a trailer with a 10k payload to cover most scenarios.

 

[moparrob]

Great info guys...thanks! I'm kicking myself for not moving faster on the loaded one close to me. Now im looking at a 10 hour drive for one with no extras

 

[jenkinsph]

You have to be ready when the good deals come up. I would buy a 110 only if it has all of the hydraulic options front and rear and a 7 function hoe. Without these options you loose too many of the benefits unique to the better tlb models.

I would add used Kubota L45 and M59 to the search too. All are good models imo. The M59 Kubota is a good 60hp tlb and would be perfect for my uses if I wanted a tractor and backhoe unit all rolled into one machine. Probably out of the budget but cheaper than multiple machines.

 

[moparrob]

If the hoe doesnt have a thumb or hydraulic hose connectors for a thumb etc., does that mean there isnt a plumbing for it on the tractor end? Im looking at one that has a top and tilt and hydraulic ripper teeth (i assume with the small switch on the joystick), so does that mean the plumbing is there for the thumb? Seller says its not plumbed for a thumb, but it has the top and tilt with rippers.

 

[TSO]

How underpowered is the 110? Does the 42/33HP rating feel that low? Someone just mentioned putting a 7ft Gannon box blade on the back. Can the 110 actually handle the blade? My Massey is 47/36HP rated... And there are times when plowing, grading, and stump grinding when I start to run low on power (but in fairness, I tend to grade/disc in medium range HST, so staying in low would help)... In theory, could I replace my Massey with the 110 and have comparable power? Or is the 42/33 pretty accurate?

 

[AKfish]

If the hoe doesnt have a thumb or hydraulic hose connectors for a thumb etc., does that mean there isnt a plumbing for it on the tractor end? Im looking at one that has a top and tilt and hydraulic ripper teeth (i assume with the small switch on the joystick), so does that mean the plumbing is there for the thumb? Seller says its not plumbed for a thumb, but it has the top and tilt with rippers.

The tractor can have 3 FEL functions and 3 rear SCV's. The joystick diverts the hyd functions back and forth as well as controlling the 3rd function on the loader.

Total hyd functions would then be six. As Steve mentioned, the thumb function on on the backhoe would be the 7th hyd connection.

So, just having the rear hyds (topntilt) would not necessarily mean that the tractor is plumbed for a thumb. It's been my experience if the hoe is plumbed for a thumb you can readily see the hard lines and the quick couplers on the top of the boom near the dipper stick.

AKfish

 

[AKfish]

How underpowered is the 110? Does the 42/33HP rating feel that low? Someone just mentioned putting a 7ft Gannon box blade on the back. Can the 110 actually handle the blade? My Massey is 47/36HP rated... And there are times when plowing, grading, and stump grinding when I start to run low on power (but in fairness, I tend to grade/disc in medium range HST, so staying in low would help)... In theory, could I replace my Massey with the 110 and have comparable power? Or is the 42/33 pretty accurate?

As a general rule, Deere has always stated Hp lower than actual tested Hp. A little time on the Nebraska Tractor Test Site will illustrate that fact.

I don't know how Massey generally rates their tractors.

The hyd ripper Gannon box is a "companion" attachment for the 110. It works very well behind the 110.

AKfish

 

[TSO]

Does the 110 handle that 7' Gannon well in M range?

 

[DocDryden]

If you look at the 1st photo you can see this 110 is set up for a thumb, it has the quick attach bucket, the foot pedal control and the quick attach couplers.



foot pedal control

the quick attach couplers on the top of the boom near the dipper stick

aux hydraulics (for top n tilt)

front hydraulics

 

[jenkinsph]

Does the 110 handle that 7' Gannon well in M range?

Not with a full load (about 1 1/4 yds) I generally use low range and 4x4 for these full pulls.

 

[moparrob]

Wow. You guys are dialed! Another week on this forum and I'll be an expert! Thanks a million for all your help.

 

[TSO]

Not with a full load (about 1 1/4 yds) I generally use low range and 4x4 for these full pulls.

Ok thx. Have you run a Harley behind it at all? Curious to know how well it turns and pulls a Harley.

 

[TJP89]

Wow. You guys are dialed! Another week on this forum and I'll be an expert! Thanks a million for all your help.

The best way to learn is hands on, but these guys are about as close as you can get to that at a distance. If you have any equipment questions, someone here will be able to help. I've pick up a lot of info just reading around the forums.

 

[jenkinsph]

Ok thx. Have you run a Harley behind it at all? Curious to know how well it turns and pulls a Harley.

No, haven't pulled a Harley rake with it but have used my six foot Deere 673 tiller with it and an MX6 rotary cutter. I don't know but would expect that a six tine/rotor tiller would be similar in loading to a Harley rake but don't quote me.

 

[TSO]

No, haven't pulled a Harley rake with it but have used my six foot Deere 673 tiller with it and an MX6 rotary cutter. I don't know but would expect that a six tine/rotor tiller would be similar in loading to a Harley rake but don't quote me.

And I'm assuming then that it handles those implements just fine?

 

[jenkinsph]

And I'm assuming then that it handles those implements just fine?

Handles them well as similar hp tractors. For a rototiller or Harley rake I would drop the front bucket to reduce overall weight which would allow more power to be utilized by the pto instead of being used to haul the machine around. At that point the weight of the tractor would be close to a similar 4000 series. If you need more pto hp an M59 Kubota might be a better choice. For my purposes I felt it was more convenient to have a second tractor (4520) for 3pt work, much easier to change seats and keep working.

Choosing the right machine can be a tough decision to make. I do custom work on small acreages so transport size is important, if the equipment is large it cost too much to move it. If the equipment is too small it takes too long to get the jobs done. If all a person plans to do is work on their own small property you can get by with a lot smaller equipment. A 110 on 10 acres ought to be a great choice to do most anything that comes up.

I originally bought the 110 for my plumbing/general contracting business. Had considered buying a 5 ton mini ex and compact wheel loader instead of a single backhoe. In the end the 110 came out on top because it was easy to tow with a service truck, I could haul in the tools, pipe, fittings to handle most jobs in one trip. That did save a lot of time and money and after 10 years I can say I made the right choice.

After 25 years in the plumbing I have had enough and shut it down at the end of the year. My equipment needs may change to something larger but since I have to move it a lot I don't want it to exceed 8.5' width and need to be able to use my F550s' for transporting. This stuff has to pay its own way too.