Question on negotiating

/ Question on negotiating #21  
This time of year (spring/summer) is not the best for negotiating...at least here in the Northeast. The Ag community is supplying a steady flow of business in high-dollar gear and the repair shop is overburdened with getting expensive Ag equipment ready for plowing/planting/baling/combining/whatever. Just finding the hands to prep a SCUT or CUT for delivery can be difficult this time of year.

In urban areas, many mowers are breathing their last and many owners are resolved to do 'right' this time around. It's high-volume, low-dollar compared to the countryside, but the result is the same.

So the dealerships have more business than they can handle...at times anyway. They know if an attractive piece of gear sits out in the yard long enough, someone will come along to pay the asking price. And, while they're waiting, maybe the current panic in the shop will subside. Negotiating can't be expected to yield very much under these conditions.

But if you plan your purchase to fall in the November to February time frame, things can be different. Business is slow, but salaries and fuel bills must still be paid. Last year's models, maybe even discontinued versions, aren't going to be so attractive next to current product after wintering in the yard under the snow. Yet the dealer has to carry them on the books and pay interest on them. With winter looming, you can do both yourself and the dealer a favor by helping him clear out his inventory.

I've done it both ways. The late-year purchase was much easier on the pocketbook. I have an uncle who swears by this approach. Maybe down-south it's different.
FWIW
Bob
 
/ Question on negotiating #22  
This time of year (spring/summer) is not the best for negotiating...at least here in the Northeast. The Ag community is supplying a steady flow of business in high-dollar gear and the repair shop is overburdened with getting expensive Ag equipment ready for plowing/planting/baling/combining/whatever. Just finding the hands to prep a SCUT or CUT for delivery can be difficult this time of year.

In urban areas, many mowers are breathing their last and many owners are resolved to do 'right' this time around. It's high-volume, low-dollar compared to the countryside, but the result is the same.

So the dealerships have more business than they can handle...at times anyway. They know if an attractive piece of gear sits out in the yard long enough, someone will come along to pay the asking price. And, while they're waiting, maybe the current panic in the shop will subside. Negotiating can't be expected to yield very much under these conditions.

But if you plan your purchase to fall in the November to February time frame, things can be different. Business is slow, but salaries and fuel bills must still be paid. Last year's models, maybe even discontinued versions, aren't going to be so attractive next to current product after wintering in the yard under the snow. Yet the dealer has to carry them on the books and pay interest on them. With winter looming, you can do both yourself and the dealer a favor by helping him clear out his inventory.

I've done it both ways. The late-year purchase was much easier on the pocketbook. I have an uncle who swears by this approach. Maybe down-south it's different.
FWIW
Bob
 
/ Question on negotiating #23  
Howdy!

What do you guys think about, instead of trying to beat the dealer up over every last nickel, maybe angling for some relatively inexpensive freebies thrown in instead? Since you can't really dicker over free color-matched floormats where a tractor's concerned, rather how about a block heater, coupla ball caps, or a workshop manual, etc.? To us it's like getting that nickel, but maybe only cost the dealer 2 or 3 pennies. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DiezNutz
 
/ Question on negotiating #24  
Howdy!

What do you guys think about, instead of trying to beat the dealer up over every last nickel, maybe angling for some relatively inexpensive freebies thrown in instead? Since you can't really dicker over free color-matched floormats where a tractor's concerned, rather how about a block heater, coupla ball caps, or a workshop manual, etc.? To us it's like getting that nickel, but maybe only cost the dealer 2 or 3 pennies. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

DiezNutz
 
/ Question on negotiating #25  
i always try and get the best price. i always assume that the service will be there. that is their job, and they make a large portion of their income on warranty/service issues. i always maintain a friendly relationship with the salesman. i just let them know i need the best price and expect good service after the sale.
i just purchased a new JD 3520 with loader boxblade and bushhog. i worked with my local dealer for over a week, seeing him almost daily. at the end i told him the bottom line was more than i was willing to spend. i then used deeres dealer locator to contact many dealers in my region. i told them about working with my guy hard for a week and needed a better number, and then asked them to email me quotes on the same setup. this assured me of getting their best quote straight away, since they knew i if they wanted my business theyd have to beat w well negotiated price. three of them were close but higher, one beat it by $800. i took the quote to my local guy and he couldnt get it done(in time). i went with the dealer 50 miles away. after commiting to the farther dealer, my guy calls back and said they'd do it. it was too late, and he understood. i intend to get any more accessories and service from my local guy, because i really like them and their shop. he was fine with this and so am i. the bottom line is their job is to maximize their profit, and ours is to minimize it. some are willing to make less profit than others, but none will stay in business long losing money.
 
/ Question on negotiating #26  
i always try and get the best price. i always assume that the service will be there. that is their job, and they make a large portion of their income on warranty/service issues. i always maintain a friendly relationship with the salesman. i just let them know i need the best price and expect good service after the sale.
i just purchased a new JD 3520 with loader boxblade and bushhog. i worked with my local dealer for over a week, seeing him almost daily. at the end i told him the bottom line was more than i was willing to spend. i then used deeres dealer locator to contact many dealers in my region. i told them about working with my guy hard for a week and needed a better number, and then asked them to email me quotes on the same setup. this assured me of getting their best quote straight away, since they knew i if they wanted my business theyd have to beat w well negotiated price. three of them were close but higher, one beat it by $800. i took the quote to my local guy and he couldnt get it done(in time). i went with the dealer 50 miles away. after commiting to the farther dealer, my guy calls back and said they'd do it. it was too late, and he understood. i intend to get any more accessories and service from my local guy, because i really like them and their shop. he was fine with this and so am i. the bottom line is their job is to maximize their profit, and ours is to minimize it. some are willing to make less profit than others, but none will stay in business long losing money.
 
/ Question on negotiating #27  
I guess I'm luckier than most of you. I developed a good relationship with my dealer over the years. When I was ready to buy my BX2350, I just went in, told him I was gonna buy it, asked him how much to write the check for.

It was later that I found out my price was as good as anyones, and I know my dealer will handle any issues I have happily. A great dealer is worth their weight in gold....
 
/ Question on negotiating #28  
I guess I'm luckier than most of you. I developed a good relationship with my dealer over the years. When I was ready to buy my BX2350, I just went in, told him I was gonna buy it, asked him how much to write the check for.

It was later that I found out my price was as good as anyones, and I know my dealer will handle any issues I have happily. A great dealer is worth their weight in gold....
 
/ Question on negotiating #29  
Well I bought my used for well under the new price but after reading all these types of posts I think:

1) there isn't as much markup in these as we might thing (I feel I'm wrong)

AND/OR

2) Kubota tightly controls the price

AND/OR

3) the dealers have an unwritten rule about pricing standards that they all somehow follow. (colusion?)

Just like down here in Houston all the motorcycle places are closed on Monday. All of them! They all decided amonst themselves.
 
/ Question on negotiating #30  
Well I bought my used for well under the new price but after reading all these types of posts I think:

1) there isn't as much markup in these as we might thing (I feel I'm wrong)

AND/OR

2) Kubota tightly controls the price

AND/OR

3) the dealers have an unwritten rule about pricing standards that they all somehow follow. (colusion?)

Just like down here in Houston all the motorcycle places are closed on Monday. All of them! They all decided amonst themselves.
 
/ Question on negotiating #31  
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People ask me all the time what I think "A good deal is?" I always tell them if YOU feel like you got a good deal, then you did. If you have a knot in your abdomen then you most likely got screwed or spent way too much money for your budget! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

I'm seeing the /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif at the end so I hope people don't always think this. Heck my stomach is in knots when I purchase just about anything. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Question on negotiating #32  
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People ask me all the time what I think "A good deal is?" I always tell them if YOU feel like you got a good deal, then you did. If you have a knot in your abdomen then you most likely got screwed or spent way too much money for your budget! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )</font>

I'm seeing the /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif at the end so I hope people don't always think this. Heck my stomach is in knots when I purchase just about anything. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
/ Question on negotiating #33  
Something else to possibly consider here. If they discount the new model by a great deal,it will affect the pricing on any used inventory they might carry. The buyers benefit to this is the tractor doesn't depreciate as fast as an auto. I know that auto dealerships make the REAL money on used vehicles. Food for thought?!
 
/ Question on negotiating #34  
Something else to possibly consider here. If they discount the new model by a great deal,it will affect the pricing on any used inventory they might carry. The buyers benefit to this is the tractor doesn't depreciate as fast as an auto. I know that auto dealerships make the REAL money on used vehicles. Food for thought?!
 
/ Question on negotiating #35  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I always tell them if YOU feel like you got a good deal, then you did. )</font>

For a few years, my brother hired an elderly lady to stay with his invalid mother-in-law during the day while he and his wife were working. One day the lady wanted to show him the used late model Oldsmobile she had just bought and ask his opinion of the car because she knew he had been a mechanic. After they discussed the car awhile, she said, "Well, aren't you going to ask what I paid for it; everyone else has?" He said, "Nope, I figure the price was just about right. If it'd been too low, he wouldn't have sold it to you, and if it'd been too high, you wouldn't have bought it." He never did hear what she paid for it. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
/ Question on negotiating #36  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I always tell them if YOU feel like you got a good deal, then you did. )</font>

For a few years, my brother hired an elderly lady to stay with his invalid mother-in-law during the day while he and his wife were working. One day the lady wanted to show him the used late model Oldsmobile she had just bought and ask his opinion of the car because she knew he had been a mechanic. After they discussed the car awhile, she said, "Well, aren't you going to ask what I paid for it; everyone else has?" He said, "Nope, I figure the price was just about right. If it'd been too low, he wouldn't have sold it to you, and if it'd been too high, you wouldn't have bought it." He never did hear what she paid for it. /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
/ Question on negotiating #37  
My husband and I just recently went to one dealer for a quote on a B3030. After receiving the quote, we questioned the salesman about the $500 rebate that Kubota was offering on the model we wanted (I have a post about this on the B3030 rebate thread). The salesman said there wasn't a rebate. My husband asked if there was any room for negotiation, and they salesman said maybe. The next day, I called another dealer who said that they would give us the rebate, and came in $250 under the first guy. I had emailed Kubota about the rebate and actually got a message on my answering machine from a woman representative stating that the first dealer should have offered us the rebate. My husband went back to the first dealership, but the original salesman wasn't there, but the man who helped him said that he didn't know why the salesman didn't offer him the rebate. He said he would have the salesman call us, but here it is two days later and no call. At this point, we don't want to give the sale to the original salesman because I'm sure he's not just going to knock $500 off the price, and we're just irritated that he thought we were just going to accept that there was no rebate. So, the nice guy at the second dealer is probably going to get our business.
 
/ Question on negotiating #38  
My husband and I just recently went to one dealer for a quote on a B3030. After receiving the quote, we questioned the salesman about the $500 rebate that Kubota was offering on the model we wanted (I have a post about this on the B3030 rebate thread). The salesman said there wasn't a rebate. My husband asked if there was any room for negotiation, and they salesman said maybe. The next day, I called another dealer who said that they would give us the rebate, and came in $250 under the first guy. I had emailed Kubota about the rebate and actually got a message on my answering machine from a woman representative stating that the first dealer should have offered us the rebate. My husband went back to the first dealership, but the original salesman wasn't there, but the man who helped him said that he didn't know why the salesman didn't offer him the rebate. He said he would have the salesman call us, but here it is two days later and no call. At this point, we don't want to give the sale to the original salesman because I'm sure he's not just going to knock $500 off the price, and we're just irritated that he thought we were just going to accept that there was no rebate. So, the nice guy at the second dealer is probably going to get our business.
 

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