Price of pull type disc

[thunder86]

So I found Athens plow company and seen a pull type disc 1646lbs giving 82lbs per disc. I have a ct4045 bobcat that’s 45hp and it’s rated for it but I was surprised how much heavier per disc this is than the normal 35-40lbs per disc I see. However I seen this one used going for over $5,000. Are they really this expensive? Is finding one at $2,000 impossible?

 

[kenmac]

You may be able to pull it. I have pulled an Atlas 1500 series disc (1850# 20x22x9) with a MX5100 HST with no problem.
I see them listed new for around 3K

Atlas also offers a 1500 series in 16x22x9 @ 1605#

 

[thunder86]

While you might be able to pull a TPH mounted Disk Harrow weighing 1,646 pounds with a Bobcat 4045, you have not a prayer of pulling a pull-type Disk Harrow of the same weight, unless it is a wheeled transport disc, which you can hydraulically adjust to limit soil contact.

Pulled disks do not transfer weight to the tractor like a TPH Disk Harrow, therefore tractor traction is reduced. Pulled discs are not supported by the tractor, all the Disk Harrow weight bears on the soil, therefore pulled Disks penetrate deeper, increasing draft force resistance.

By TPH you mean a disc barrow that’s connected to the 3 point hitch? And it is harder on the tractor to pull a disc on wheels that’s hooked up on hydraulics?

 

[Doughknob]

So I found Athens plow company and saw a pull type disc 1646lbs giving 82lbs per disc. I have a ct4045 bobcat that’s 45hp and it’s rated for it but I was surprised how much heavier per disc this is than the normal 35-40lbs per disc I see. However I saw this one used going for over $5,000. Are they really this expensive? Is finding one at $2,000 impossible?

I agree the tractor engine is enough. BUT traction will not let you run it very deep.

 

[jeff9366]

Researching on Athen's web site, their Model 62 pull-type wheeled disk with hydraulic lift, 1,642 pounds in 7'-11" width, has a tractor power suggestion of 40 to 80 horsepower.

Do you have a pair of rear hydraulic remotes to pump Disk hydraulic lift?

Athens thinks you can pull it.

I am skeptical unless your rear tires are liquid filled, then maybe.


By TPH you mean a disc barrow that’s connected to the 3 point hitch?

Yes.


Is it harder on the tractor to pull a disc on wheels that’s hooked up on hydraulics?

No. Because the wheels allow you to vary pan contact with the soil, in fact you can raise all the Disk pans free from soil contact.

 

[thunder86]

Researching on Athen's web site, their Model 62 pull-type wheeled disk with hydraulic lift, 1,642 pounds in 7'-11" width, has a tractor power suggestion of 40 to 80 horsepower.

Do you have a pair of rear hydraulic remotes to pump Disk hydraulic lift?

Athens thinks you can pull it.


By TPH you mean a disc barrow that’s connected to the 3 point hitch?

Yes.


Is it harder on the tractor to pull a disc on wheels that’s hooked up on hydraulics?

No. Because the wheels allow you to vary contact with the soil, in fact you can raise all the Disk pans free from soil contact.

Yes the model I got came standard with rear remote.
I reread your first post and see what your saying. On a disc that’s on the 3 point the tractor tires are pulled more into the ground making more traction. On a hydraulic disc with wheels the weight isn’t on the 3 point which isn’t pulling the tractor tires down so it’s less traction.
You think it would slip pulling that much weight? When the wheels go up for in use the weight would still pull down on the rear wheels same as if it was on the 3 point wouldn’t it, or no?

LMC has a 1285lb that’s 3 point with 16 pans that’s 80lbs per pan. On the specs it says the ct4045 has a rear lift of 2716.

 

[K5lwq]

If your Tires loaded and/or you have wheel weights, I think you will have a good chance of pulling it.

 

[thunder86]

If your Tires loaded and/or you have wheel weights, I think you will have a good chance of pulling it.

I’ve 700lbs of fluid in the tires. I didn’t get wheel weights. Just fluid.

 

[kenmac]

Yes the model I got came standard with rear remote.
I reread your first post and see what your saying. On a disc that’s on the 3 point the tractor tires are pulled more into the ground making more traction. On a hydraulic disc with wheels the weight isn’t on the 3 point which isn’t pulling the tractor tires down so it’s less traction.
You think it would slip pulling that much weight? When the wheels go up for in use the weight would still pull down on the rear wheels same as if it was on the 3 point wouldn’t it, or no?

LMC has a 1285lb that’s 3 point with 16 pans that’s 80lbs per pan. On the specs it says the ct4045 has a rear lift of 2716.

If it's the same LMC near me, I wonder if they actually have one ? They are about 1.5 hours from me.
I was up there about a month ago and they hardly had anything in stock.

 

[jeff9366]

I do not want to turn you away from Athens Plow.

Consider TPH Athen's Model 55 with 20" diameter pans, 7'-0" width, ~1,188 pounds.

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I have not owned LMG.

I own Monroe Tufline, on a par with Athens.

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Disc Harrow - TANDEM LIFT DISC HAROW, Monroe Tufline 18/20", TH971820B, REVIEW

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Brown Manufacturing is also in the heavy Disk Harrow segment.

Brown Manufacturing Corp | 800.633.8909

 

[jeff9366]

Bobcat CT4045 Dimension​

2019 - 4000 Series Compact Utility tractor Daedong built

Series:

CT4045

→ CT4050

Bobcat CT4045 Tires
Standard tires (ag):	Front: 8-16. Rear: 13.6-24

Dimensions
Wheelbase:	71 inches 180 cm
Length:	125.5 inches 318 cm
Width:	63 inches 160 cm
Height (ROPS):	96.8 inches 245 cm
Shuttle Operating weight:	3373 lbs 1529 kg
Hydro Operating weight:	3523 lbs 1598 kg
Ground clearance:	14.5 inches 36 cm

--- I’ve 700lbs of fluid in the tires. ---

 

[MHarryE]

For that weight you must be looking at an Athens offset disc with 22” or 24” blades. The only way to pull it with your tractor is raised. They are rated for 90 hp tractor or larger.

 

[thunder86]

For that weight you must be looking at an Athens offset disc with 22” or 24” blades. The only way to pull it with your tractor is raised. They are rated for 90 hp tractor or larger.

 

[jeff9366]

I use my TPH Disk Harrow for trail maintenance, firebreak maintenance and food plot preparation. Therefore I am more interested in cutting sod and penetration than smoothing.
I like a Disk Harrow no wider than the tread width of my rear R4/industril tires.
In food plot work, a Disk Harrow no wider than the tread width of my rear R4/industril tires fits between trees. A wider Disk hangs up. Backing up a Disk in the woods, especially on a slope, is difficult and time consuming. In accepting this limited width I can pull a Disk with larger diameter, heavier pans.

What do you intend for the Disk you are researching? Why are you seeking a pull-type Disc
with a a 7'-11" (95") width when your tractor is 63" wide? Will you mostly be smoothing fields in succession to a turning plow?

 

[Lineman North Florida]

Bearing in mind that the disc you are looking at is adjustable, with it set at it's most aggressive angle you could probably pull it for the first pass but that second and third pass where the disc gangs are bogging to the axles I doubt it very seriously at least not at any speed that you would be satisfied with, as someone else said earlier you can always let the wheels down so that you are limiting the depth of the disc penetration in the soil but that kind of defeats the purpose. IMHO you would be better served with a 3 pt hitch lift type harrow that is adjustable. Lastly Athens make great disc but they are very proud of them, check out Brown Disc and see if there is a dealer in your area , there are quite a few more but I haven't owned or know anyone who does so you just have to check them out, there is nothing worse than buying a piece of equipment and not having enough tractor to fully utilize it.

 

[ROUSTABOUT]

For that weight you must be looking at an Athens offset disc with 22” or 24” blades. The only way to pull it with your tractor is raised. They are rated for 90 hp tractor or larger.

We have an 8' offset disc. You can make one pass down a hard gravel road and leave it looking like a garden. 4x4 tractor 15,000# and that disc is all that tractor wants. It cuts great but it takes power.

 

[bindian]

I had a Amco 9 foot offset disc. My Mahindra 6520, 4WD, would pull it okay, but I couldn't run it in the gear I needed to make the speed I needed to turn the sod completely over in hay pastures. I had the weight, but needed a few more horses.

But on my place, one pass and it was ready to plant a garden. You can see the dirt being thrown over here........

She was over 3,000 pounds.
What is the drawbar horsepower of your tractor? I think it will be iffy, but doable.
hugs, Brandi

 

[thunder86]

I use my TPH Disk Harrow for trail maintenance, firebreak maintenance and food plot preparation. Therefore I am more interested in cutting sod and penetration than smoothing.
I like a Disk Harrow no wider than the tread width of my rear R4/industril tires.
In food plot work, a Disk Harrow no wider than the tread width of my rear R4/industril tires fits between trees. A wider Disk hangs up. Backing up a Disk in the woods, especially on a slope, is difficult and time consuming. In accepting this limited width I can pull a Disk with larger diameter, heavier pans.

What do you intend for the Disk you are researching? Why are you seeking a pull-type Disc
with a a 7'-11" (95") width when your tractor is 63" wide? Will you mostly be smoothing fields in succession to a turning plow?

Well I was just trying to get really heavy. My main focus is maintaining a stand of switchgrass which will be about 4 acres. I also want to disc my food plots combing 1.5 acres. This is a 10 acre field nice and flat.
Also discing for native forbs 50% disturbance. Maybe a couple acres.

I’d like to use it in my wooded plots I work on but I’d have to use a box blade and remove tons of rocks before I’d feel comfortable taking it over it. That’s another acre.

 

[jeff9366]

I’d like to use it in my wooded plots.

In food plot work, a Disk Harrow no wider than the tread width of my rear R4/industril tires fits between trees. A wider Disk hangs up on trees, after the tractor is through. Backing up a wide TPH Disk in the woods, especially on a slope, is difficult and time consuming. Backing up a pull-type Disk might be impossible in the same situation.

Well I was just trying to get really heavy. My main focus is maintaining a stand of switchgrass which will be about 4 acres. I also want to disc my food plots combing (?) 1.5 acres. This is a 10 acre field nice and flat.
Also discing for native forbs 50% disturbance. Maybe a couple acres.

You will have to decide if a wide Disc to decrease time spent processing your fields, or a rear tire tread-width TPH Disk for processing land between trees is your priority.

1) For your food plots, consider a TPH Disc Harrow 72" wide, with 9" pan spacing, with pans 20" in diameter. I am sure you can pull this. You might be able to pull a TPH Disc Harrow 72" wide with 9" pan spacing, with pans 22" in diaper, but I am not sure. Note: you need to pull a Disc Harrow at the speed of a brisk walk to throw dirt.

9" pan spacing on the front gangs, 7" spacing on the rear gangs is also good.

Brown Manufacturing Corp | 800.633.8909

2) For your fields consider a TPH Disc Harrow 84" wide, with 7" pan spacing, with pans 22" in diameter. The additional pans will yield more float, allowing the extra 12" of width and greater 2" of pan diameter.

Brown Manufacturing Corp | 800.633.8909

9" pan spacing on the front gangs, 7" spacing on the rear gangs is also good.

Brown Manufacturing Corp | 800.633.8909

I am trying to go really heavy.

You must pay for every pound.

Heavy Disc Harrows suitable for your CT4045 are going to price new at ~~$3,500.......

Brown Manufacturing is in Ohio, not that far from you.

 

[thunder86]

Found this about 2 and a half hours from me. They said it’s still available but haven’t answered any of my questions on weight/pan size and spacing of the disc. Maybe they only made so many types in this 6’ size that could narrow it down? Looks heavy.