New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine.

/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #101  
Serious? They don't include a brake controller, glad my '19's got one then.
2019 Classic Bighorn, no brake controller. Based on YouTube, there is a pigtail hidden under the dase set up for one though. Heaviest thing I town regularly is just the little Ck2610, and heaviest I have towed is a 5000# durango on a 1800# trailer. Have had a couple other cars, and pallets on it, but nothing over 6800# total.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #102  
In my Ram 5500, I wish the “default” mode for the transmission was “tow/haul”.
IMO, I’d rather have the truck in that mode and put up with switching it to “normal”, than forget and start towing 38,000lbs NOT in tow/haul mode.

I think that’s way more protective of a 100K truck investment.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #103  
In your case HD, you're 100% correct. Even towing my puny little trailer, it makes quite a difference both in up and downshifting. I can't imagine the difference it would make hauling your kind of weight.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #104  
I have already caught myself NOT in T/H mode while towing heavy. I asked ram tech if it could be changed. He didn’t think so.
 
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/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #105  
My 2017 F150 came with a tow package but no brake controller, I paid to add a factory one.
I have a 2017. There were two tow packages. One just had the wiring and hitch. I got the one with the controller.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #106  
I have already caught myself NOT in T/H mode while towing heavy. I asked ram tech if it could be changed. He didn’t think so.

Over on the Ford forums the guys talk about an aftermarket software program for Fords called Forscan that they download onto a laptop. They can use that to change all kinds of different parameters on their trucks. I wonder if there is something similar for Ram trucks?
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #107  
"The Ford has an automatic tow haul mode if it senses trailer lights and brakes."

My new trailer does have lights, and brakes as well, but I don't have a brake controller (Dodge should have included that in the tow package imo), but we have all towed plenty without lights, brakes, tags, or air in the trailer tires. Ford might not want to out think the redneck in us
I just know what I've seen with the 23' ecoboost at the shop. I spent a half hour trying to find a tow haul button for it.

Finally pulled it around and plugged it up to our trailer and it popped up on the display about going into tow haul mode.

When I unplugged the trailer it went out of tow haul mode

I'm not a fan of that. And explains why our salesman almost burned up the transmission when he picked up the piece of equipment. Customer had ripped out the wiring for the trailer lights.

In that case, the salesman either has to hook up a set of magnetic tow lights on the equipment, or shift it using the up and down buttons.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #108  
Over on the Ford forums the guys talk about an aftermarket software program for Fords called Forscan that they download onto a laptop. They can use that to change all kinds of different parameters on their trucks. I wonder if there is something similar for Ram trucks?
I have a lap top with universal software for my equipment put out by diesel laptops at work.

We licensing for off road equipment and highway trucks.

For giggles I went out and hooked it up to my F550 diesel out in the yard and checked out the software.

Boy, someone could get in trouble with that software pretty quickly.

It showed every operation on the truck and could adjust many things including Governor, shift points, etc...

Software is set up for everything from a 1/2ton truck up to semis. Just select make, model, and engine
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #109  
In my Ram 5500, I wish the “default” mode for the transmission was “tow/haul”.
IMO, I’d rather have the truck in that mode and put up with switching it to “normal”, than forget and start towing 38,000lbs NOT in tow/haul mode.

I think that’s way more protective of a 100K truck investment.
In the past I too have forgot to switch into Tow/Haul mode. My GMC 3500HD Denali flashes a reminder message in the driver's information center to place it in Tow/Haul mode when you shift into Drive with a trailer attached and not in Tow/Haul mode. The trailer function also remembers your brake setting for each trailer and checks the lights for issues. I have TPMS on all my trailer tires so I get constant monitoring of air pressure and temps on the trailer tires.

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/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #110  
I have a 2017. There were two tow packages. One just had the wiring and hitch. I got the one with the controller.
Same. And their integrated brake controller is a really nice one, both in location and operation. If you're ordering a new truck and own a trailer with brakes, you definitely owe it to yourself to choose this option, versus the aftermarket controllers.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #111  
2019 Classic Bighorn, no brake controller. Based on YouTube, there is a pigtail hidden under the dase set up for one though. Heaviest thing I town regularly is just the little Ck2610, and heaviest I have towed is a 5000# durango on a 1800# trailer. Have had a couple other cars, and pallets on it, but nothing over 6800# total.
It is available to add and can be purchased at ram dealers or at online molar parts stores.

One physically installed a software application has to be used to enable it. You can purchase it (e.g., AlphaOBD or JScan) or the dealer can enable it.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #112  
... heaviest I have towed is a 5000# durango on a 1800# trailer. Have had a couple other cars, and pallets on it, but nothing over 6800# total.
Surge brakes on that trailer? In most states, any trailer grossing over 3000 or 3500# requires brakes.

I did the surge brake thing awhile, back when I wasn't towing anything over 3000 lb. frequently enough to make installing a brake controller worth the effort. They work, although adjusting them to the load is not always possible, and backing uphill can be impossible if you don't have a pin or collar setup that allows them to be disabled.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #113  
Really tho, other than the pulleys and belts on front giving it away you'd be hard pressed to tell it's actually an engine, ridiculous, I wouldn't want to have to work on it for anything other than an oil change. Always blows my mind when you look at an old engine, take an old 225 slant 6, and compare it to that engineering nightmare:

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My '85 Dodge (before Ram) had a slant 6 and my dad swore by them. He had an older Dodge with one. Mine was a great truck and it towed my little VW bug across the Appalachians just fine. The only reason I got rid of it was the family needed something to haul more than three people.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #114  
Over on the Ford forums the guys talk about an aftermarket software program for Fords called Forscan that they download onto a laptop. They can use that to change all kinds of different parameters on their trucks. I wonder if there is something similar for Ram trucks?

It's awesome.

But, Ram trucks can use AlfaOBD and essentially do the same things. A lot of what dealerships can do is possible at home now, and it's great.

For the record, there are a LOT of reports coming in that the 3.0TT engine in the new Ram isn't reliable and even things like water pumps are 12 hour labor jobs. Typical euro design. They couldn't design a paper bag correctly. I would find a leftover 5.7L V8 Ram if I had to buy new right now.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #115  
For the record, there are a LOT of reports coming in that the 3.0TT engine in the new Ram isn't reliable and even things like water pumps are 12 hour labor jobs. Typical euro design. They couldn't design a paper bag correctly.
I've spent my career floating back and forth between R&D and design engineering, in fact my last corporate job was as head of R&D, but with my own technical role being mostly design in the last 7 years I was there. I've spent the last 30 years toggling back and forth between Euro and USA companies, and since 2018 had been working in a department equally split between US and French engineers. In the 1990's, I was one of only two Americans in an all-German engineering effort, and so on...

It's a problem categorizing an entire nation of workers under one personality, let alone an entire continent, but I will agree there are higher probabilities of one proclivity vs. another, as you deal with people of different upbringing and education systems. What I've learned from working with so many Euro's over the years is that they more often tend to want to favor performance innovations over proven reliability. I say "proven" reliability, because they will calculate and simulate to death, why the new thing should be more reliable, rather than our more frequent tendency to fall back on what we already know to be reliable. Of course, the devil is in the details, and so little errors or oversights in such calculations and simulations often lead to surprising new ways to break things.

I really enjoy the sometimes-conflicting perspective, even if it sometimes leads to disagreements and arguments over how a design problem should be solved. I do think more industrial innovation per capita or per dollar comes from those ambitious Euro's who like to always push the boundaries, than those who want to continue on the path of what they already know to work, but of course this almost always comes with some growing pains and cost. As with all things, bliss is found in the middle ground, between extremes.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #116  
I've spent my career floating back and forth between R&D and design engineering, in fact my last corporate job was as head of R&D, but with my own technical role being mostly design in the last 7 years I was there. I've spent the last 30 years toggling back and forth between Euro and USA companies, and since 2018 had been working in a department equally split between US and French engineers. In the 1990's, I was one of only two Americans in an all-German engineering effort, and so on...

It's a problem categorizing an entire nation of workers under one personality, let alone an entire continent, but I will agree there are higher probabilities of one proclivity vs. another, as you deal with people of different upbringing and education systems. What I've learned from working with so many Euro's over the years is that they more often tend to want to favor performance innovations over proven reliability. I say "proven" reliability, because they will calculate and simulate to death, why the new thing should be more reliable, rather than our more frequent tendency to fall back on what we already know to be reliable. Of course, the devil is in the details, and so little errors or oversights in such calculations and simulations often lead to surprising new ways to break things.

I really enjoy the sometimes-conflicting perspective, even if it sometimes leads to disagreements and arguments over how a design problem should be solved. I do think more industrial innovation per capita or per dollar comes from those ambitious Euro's who like to always push the boundaries, than those who want to continue on the path of what they already know to work, but of course this almost always comes with some growing pains and cost. As with all things, bliss is found in the middle ground, between extremes.
I've always heard that in Japanese vs German vehicles, there are totally different cultural assumptions.
In Germany, they make the assumption that if the "book" say to service/replace Part A at 50,000 miles, people will; because it says to, and everyone follows the rules.
In Japan, the assumption is that people will not do the required services, and that it needs to be designed to work even if the service isn't done.

I think in the US, the assumption is, it will fail and break regardless, so keep it cheap, and the customer really only needs it to last to the end of warranty, but it does have to "look cool".
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #117  
I've always heard that in Japanese vs German vehicles, there are totally different cultural assumptions.
In Germany, they make the assumption that if the "book" say to service/replace Part A at 50,000 miles, people will; because it says to, and everyone follows the rules.
In Japan, the assumption is that people will not do the required services, and that it needs to be designed to work even if the service isn't done.

I think in the US, the assumption is, it will fail and break regardless, so keep it cheap, and the customer really only needs it to last to the end of warranty, but it does have to "look cool".
That's not true of Japanese service in the industries that I am familiar with. For instance, here on the west coast we get a steady stream of used car and truck engines from Japan with 50-80k miles on them that were "serviced" out to give the owners a new engine. The engines as a rule are perfectly fine. Talk about preventative maintenance. My experience that the Japanese approach to service resembles other cultures that have a perfectionist adherence to what the manual says.

I'm not saying that all Japanese do X, and there are exceptions to the rule.

All the best,

Peter
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #118  
Pony, I mean that only on the design philosophy, not the actual maintenance by Japanese owners. Their engineers tend to design for worse than normal. With that, often they aren't "ahead of the times", and let others lead the way for a year or two, and then they refine the existing new system.

Could be chicken and egg thing? but with the number of Japanese vehicles in 2nd world locations (and 3rd), either A they design it for that, or B, they end up selling so well in 2nd world because of the good design?

Even still, plenty of crap from Japan, US, PRC, Germany, ect.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #119  
It's awesome.

But, Ram trucks can use AlfaOBD and essentially do the same things. A lot of what dealerships can do is possible at home now, and it's great.

For the record, there are a LOT of reports coming in that the 3.0TT engine in the new Ram isn't reliable and even things like water pumps are 12 hour labor jobs. Typical euro design. They couldn't design a paper bag correctly. I would find a leftover 5.7L V8 Ram if I had to buy new right now.
Would agree that it's usually best to wait a bit and let others be the guinea pigs when it comes to a new engine.
 
/ New 2025 Ram 1500 with hurricane engine. #120  
I always remember a friends dad who had a slant six in an old Dodge pickup. During the summer he pulled in and it was overheating. He complained it had been doing it for a while. I opened the hood and he had put cardboard completely blocking off the radiator the previous winter. It took me about 10 seconds to fix that problem. Not really relevant to this thread but a slant six story on how you can’t kill them.
 

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