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   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,801  
The idler pulley seems to be out of alignment with the other two. Is this normal? If not, the way to adjust it isn't obvious to me. Thanks for your help. <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=466053"/>
Is there room to put a shim on the rotor pulley to pull it out a bit? They really shouldn't be that far out of alignment.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,802  
Thanks for the welcome. The manufacture of these blades claim they are forged with an RC of 40 to 50 but mainly what I want to know is how sharp they should be.
attached two pictures, before and after.


Forged? candidly I doubt it as the steel condition does not indicate this and your grinding would have mad a brittle mess of the edge.


Couple of things, invest in a lower cost water cooled knive grinder, W.W. Grainger has them.

You have these blades, UGH, and they need a 37 degree bevel and they have to be of the same weight when your done grinding.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,803  
1st - It looks like you have at least one broken blade just in the picture.

2nd - You can turn the blades around. The cutting edge is rounded so you will get a better cut and have sharper blades by just doing a 180. You have cotter pins so the job would take you about 3 hours. FYI - get some new cotter pins before you start.

3rd - Those blades are in better shape than mine were before I replaced them and they still did a fair job.

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4th - If the belt is out of alignment you will smoke it before you finish your first pass. However, you should still have a couple of spares (FlailMaster has them for $32)

5th - I have the same flail and if the fallow field is green and thick, do your first run with the flail roller about 3" above the ground then you can do a second pass normally. All those blades will not move the cut grass out the back if you are pushing into a mass of vegetation. It can't get enough air in through the front to move the grass out the back and it clogs up in the front. I do not mean thick brush but tall thick grass and vines that are green not dry.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,805  
4th - If the belt is out of alignment you will smoke it before you finish your first pass. However, you should still have a couple of spares (FlailMaster has them for $32)

Thanks for the tips. I'll keep them in mind. Looking at the pulleys, what do you think the issue is?
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,806  
Thanks for the tips. I'll keep them in mind. Looking at the pulleys, what do you think the issue is?

From the pic the belt looks like it is in line with both sheaves. It would appear just the tensioner is slightly off.

This pic is strait on to the belt so the wall to the left is at an oblique to the viewer BUT it appears that the wall is bowed away from the belt. The tensioner is attached to that wall so straightening the wall might help.

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   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,807  
Take one of your wife's yard sticks and put the edge across both sheaves as close to center as possible. If the straight edge touches both sides of each sheave then they are in line.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,808  
Forged? candidly I doubt it as the steel condition does not indicate this and your grinding would have mad a brittle mess of the edge.


Couple of things, invest in a lower cost water cooled knive grinder, W.W. Grainger has them.

You have these blades, UGH, and they need a 37 degree bevel and they have to be of the same weight when your done grinding.

Leonz, do you have a specific model of wet sharpener in mind? Grainger's cheapest model is $754. I found a Woodtek for $130 on Amazon. Would this work?
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,809  
Thanks IslandTractor and whirly. That's what I needed to know. I thought they cut alright but my wife wasn't as happy with the cut, (to put it mildly)

I believe this was her way of telling you to order a new flail mower!
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,810  
Leonz, do you have a specific model of wet sharpener in mind? Grainger's cheapest model is $754. I found a Woodtek for $130 on Amazon. Would this work?
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As long as you can clamp the knive in place and hold it in place yes. I saw a bunch of them(don't remember the brands) under $400 on Amazon last year.

Wen sadly no longer makes the water bath knife and scissors carborundum drum sharpener I use.


After looking at the one from wood workers supply(Assuming its the yellow one)you would not be able to use it.

A slow speed wet well grinder with a vertical grinding wheel would be the best one for your use as there is a table with degree markings to rest the individual knife on and wet grind the cutting edge.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,811  
Leonz, do you have a specific model of wet sharpener in mind? Grainger's cheapest model is $754. I found a Woodtek for $130 on Amazon. Would this work?
I hate to disagree with flail whisperer Leonz but IMO, unless you are running a commercial mowing operation or maintaining your private putting green, there is little need or economy in sharpening flail knives. Yes flail knives dull with use but the hassle and time in sharpening the buggers just ain't worth it. Unless you buy an expensive device that can be used pretty much only for sharpening flail knives in situ, you need to remove all 50-100 of them anyways. That by itself is a major PITA (unless you have one of the few flails where a single rod controls a dozen or more blades). For me it would be a 4-5 hour job just to remove and replace all 56. Plus time to grind them all. Most air wrenches don't have the power to back off nuts from damaged and dirt encrusted bolts. Manual wrenching with cheaters is what I usually need for at least half. Putting them back on is just about as hard unless you replace them with new.

Unless you only finish cut, the knives are going to lose their fine edge within a few mowings anyways. I just treat mine like a bush hog and accept that the grass will be more "ripped" than cut. From 10 feet away I can't tell the difference in grass cut by rough flail versus standard Craftsman lawnmower with fresh blade either.

I replace blades when the clevises break (more common with Caroni metric clevises). Otherwise the blades do their work with a dull edge. They still cut fields and brush just fine.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,812  
You are right Island Tractor, My fussiness for good sharp side slicer knives gets in the way.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,813  
I hate to disagree with flail whisperer Leonz but IMO, unless you are running a commercial mowing operation or maintaining your private putting green, there is little need or economy in sharpening flail knives. Yes flail knives dull with use but the hassle and time in sharpening the buggers just ain't worth it. Unless you buy an expensive device that can be used pretty much only for sharpening flail knives in situ, you need to remove all 50-100 of them anyways. That by itself is a major PITA (unless you have one of the few flails where a single rod controls a dozen or more blades). For me it would be a 4-5 hour job just to remove and replace all 56. Plus time to grind them all. Most air wrenches don't have the power to back off nuts from damaged and dirt encrusted bolts. Manual wrenching with cheaters is what I usually need for at least half. Putting them back on is just about as hard unless you replace them with new. Unless you only finish cut, the knives are going to lose their fine edge within a few mowings anyways. I just treat mine like a bush hog and accept that the grass will be more "ripped" than cut. From 10 feet away I can't tell the difference in grass cut by rough flail versus standard Craftsman lawnmower with fresh blade either. I replace blades when the clevises break (more common with Caroni metric clevises). Otherwise the blades do their work with a dull edge. They still cut fields and brush just fine.

I agree 100%.

Leonz, no disrespect at all as you've given Lots of great information to me making me learn and learn.

I understand your fussiness gets in the way but it just seems I'm always sharpening or doing something else higher in priority at the time. I wish I could cut everyday with a new set of sharp blades but it's just not possible in today's time. Maybe when I grow up.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,816  
I like to think my hammers are sharp. I bought a new cordless angle grinder and gave them a touch up the other day, however it occurred to me that I have an air grinder that would probably be even better.
The reason I 'sharpened' mine was really just to check out how they were holding up after cutting up many thousands of small sticks etc while mowing. They looked really great but I gave them a touch up while I was 'under' there. Hopefully after the first couple of cuts I have it mostly tamed now.
Still over the moon with the job the flail does. :thumbsup:
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,817  
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Gentlemen, I have joined Flail Nation with the purchase of this used Flail Mower.
Seems to be in real good condition.
Its a 74" fine cut mower.
Now to get it to use!!
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,818  
<img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=466459"/> Gentlemen, I have joined Flail Nation with the purchase of this used Flail Mower. Seems to be in real good condition. Its a 74" fine cut mower. Now to get it to use!!

That's used? Wow.... Great condition
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,819  
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Gentlemen, I have joined Flail Nation with the purchase of this used Flail Mower.
Seems to be in real good condition.
Its a 74" fine cut mower.
Now to get it to use!!

That flail's not used, it's just dusty. Nice find.

And, I think you deserve an award for your screen name.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #2,820  
View attachment 466459

Gentlemen, I have joined Flail Nation with the purchase of this used Flail Mower.
Seems to be in real good condition.
Its a 74" fine cut mower.
Now to get it to use!!



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Hello Weedy Fields,

I want to welcome you as the newest resident member of the flail mower nation.
That Alamo flail Mower looks sharp.

Be sure to chain the dog to the mower(if you have one) attach a motion alarm and lock the doors as that mower is north of 7K new!!!



Just be sure to read the manual, ask questions, adjust properly, ask more questions, operate the engine at the speed @ 540 rpm and have spare parts like belts(kevlar) and knives on hand.

The slower you mow the finer the cut, and the sooner the clippings dissolve. Take That ROTARY CUTTERS AND BUSH HOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 

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