Flail Mower Let's talk flail mowers

/ Let's talk flail mowers #901  
I have not read the entire thread, so this may be posted earlier. We are a dealer for Phoenix Flail Mowers and here is a link to more info about them for those that are interested in quality at affordable prices. Ken Sweet



http://www.unifarm.biz/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,8/Itemid,34/
Those look like nice mowers. The PFL range looks like the heavy duty Alamos/Motts. The SLE range looks more like the Caroni or consumer grade JD/LandPride etc. What does a 6ft SLE cost?
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #902  
Those look like nice mowers. The PFL range looks like the heavy duty Alamos/Motts. The SLE range looks more like the Caroni or consumer grade JD/LandPride etc. What does a 6ft SLE cost?

SLE-190 Which is 75 inch with series 5 drive line $3495 + shipping. Weighing in at 650 lbs. Rated, regular duty up to 45 HP. Ken Sweet
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #903  
I am new to this topic and have some questions.

I have 150 acres of pasture that is fairly flat but sometimes rocky.

I would like to be able to mow weeds at a height of about 1 foot so I miss the grass but get the weedhead. This would also keep me off the rocks.

Is a flail mower a good choice for this application?

I have plenty of horsepower and would like a large model that could move along. Any suggestions?



Thanks,

Alex




Alex there is no reason you cannot consider a large wide cut used flail shredder used for shredding corn stalks and other vegetable drop residue.

Most all the flail shredders used for crop residue have the grass knife as many are used for cutting grass growth on sod prior to dormancy to allow better growth in the spring of the year.

The grass knife works very well with corn stalks as well so its not much of an issue and parts are still available from the manufacturer of many brands of crop shredders or others.



It will allow you to cut the brush down quickly and smoothly with no worries about height and debris impacts.

They are very well built and a used one will give you many years of service with adequate care and parts are always available as many parts are standardised in measurement or universal for that matter.


They are easy enough to find and especially at large machinery dispersal auctions they appear often as well as being offered as used machinery.


A flail shredder is designed to work in ridge tillage agriculture as well and is designed with high horse power gear boxes to do the job of shredding heavy crop residue with no issues at high speeds of travel.







After 3 years and repeatedly reading the (lets talk flail mowers) from beginning to end to refresh my memory, I still feel I am totally vindicated every time I promote the flail mower for grass and brush and safe operation versus a rotary mower in my opinion.

leonz
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #904  
we have a New Holland TN75 and just blew out our old, rusted-out rotary mower (not sure make/model) after hitting a stump. Looking @ buying a new mower and I wanted to look into flail mowers.

We are in the West Virginia panhandle, moderate slopes, no rocks but some ground is uneven. The main use would be to cut brush & a hay field FULL of mullein (a woody weed, can get up to 2" in diameter, grows in large patches). If its tough enough, we might use the mower to reclaim an old hayfield choked out with blackberry, multiflora rose, small cedars, etc.

Does anyone have experience using a flail mower to cut large areas of tough, woody weeds like mullein? I think it actually choked up our haybine and broke the blades. I dont want to drop a few thousand dollars on something that isnt appropriate for our needs. Thanks for any insight you can offer!

Alec

here is a pic of mullein if you arent familiar with it. If you need some, we got plenty!

mullein.jpg
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #905  
I believe, I would stick with a rotary cutter. I have a neighbor that runs a 7 ft 3 point on his TN 75. Ken Sweet
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #906  
we have a New Holland TN75 and just blew out our old, rusted-out rotary mower (not sure make/model) after hitting a stump. Looking @ buying a new mower and I wanted to look into flail mowers.

We are in the West Virginia panhandle, moderate slopes, no rocks but some ground is uneven. The main use would be to cut brush & a hay field FULL of mullein (a woody weed, can get up to 2" in diameter, grows in large patches). If its tough enough, we might use the mower to reclaim an old hayfield choked out with blackberry, multiflora rose, small cedars, etc.

Does anyone have experience using a flail mower to cut large areas of tough, woody weeds like mullein? I think it actually choked up our haybine and broke the blades. I dont want to drop a few thousand dollars on something that isnt appropriate for our needs. Thanks for any insight you can offer!

Alec

here is a pic of mullein if you arent familiar with it. If you need some, we got plenty!

mullein.jpg

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Thats not as bad as sugar cane stalks for sure;


depending on your budget you could pick up a very large stalk chopper/flail shredder at a dispersal auction that is wide and very efficient at cutting stalks in ridge tillage and flat land corn growing-meaning tough as nails machinery, or purchase a very small stalk chopper new as they have grass knives and mean business when they are working leaving next to nothing to see.

Or buy a Caroni FRTM1900FSC with 112 grass knives and have no issues either. the cutting width in millimeters is 1,9OO in width/ the cutting width in inches is 75 inches in width.

You are not that far from the agris supply store chain and you could save on freight if you bought it in store.

The smallest flail mower will make any pasture into carpet if you drive slow enough and we mow a lot of our 12 acres with a 48 flail mower with no issues.
using 54 grass blades.

The grass knives will fold back if they encounter and object and simply rotate backk into place to continue working many grass knives available have 2 cutting edges soi all you have to do it flip it to the other edge.

The other thing is that the full width of the mower is slicing grass at all times at 540 tractor rpm with the grass knives overlapping each other slicing everything into tiny bits.

Each grass knife has a cutting edge and with 112 knives in the FTM 1900 or other flail mower with grass knives have more total cutting edge than a rotary cutter has with the same representative width in cut.

you would obtain the same level of finish with a towed flail chopper bought at auction if you went that route as well.

flail mowers use less fule and are much much quieter in operation than rotary cutters and the flail mower will slice the brush and carry it over the rotor and throw it back on the ground.

If you drive at slow pace you can cut all the brush down to the ground if you want the first time or mow it in two stages etc.

mowing in spiral pattern allows you avoid stopping and turning around to mow and saves fuel, brakes, and time.

Citing my example I tow our motorised flail mower with a garden tractor and use 2 gallons of fuel to mow 4 acres-one in the tractor and one in the mower as the tractor is not under load and the flail mower is running flat out at maximum rotor speed to slice the grass to tiny bits.

As long as you run the tractor PTO at 540-1000 rpm depending on the gear box designed speed and do not lug the tractor down driving forward it will mow and mow and mow with no issues.

Any stalks left will be shredded again in the second pass if a second lower pass is desired.

If you contact iron horse on the forum here he will provide you with a world of excellent advice regarding flail mowers and you will find his rotary cutter story very disturbing as far as throwing a 5 inch bolt quite a distance and penetrating into a residence and fortunately no one was injured.


leonz
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #907  

Maybe I am misinterpreting the scale of that weed but it doesn't look like something that has a two inch woody stem. I mow stuff like that with no problem with my Caroni Tm1900 flail on a 40hp tractor. Looks like there is a log underneath those weeds and of course that is a little different and would require going slower to avoid such obstacles. I've posted a few photos of stuff I mow slowly but without trouble. Obviously it can go faster or slower depending on height and stalk thickness. I prefer not to run at PTO speed just because of the noise so this is all done at about 2000 rpm. Bottom line is that the flail will handle it but I cannot tell you how fast you'd go.
 

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/ Let's talk flail mowers #908  
thanks for all the advice yall.

IslandTractor - yeah thats just a photo I found on the internet. Its not from our property. The hayfield wont have any branches like that.

The mullein can get HUGE! I just cleared some yesterday w a Stihl Weedwhacker (metal head) and some were ~7 ft tall and had 2" stems.

It sounds like the flail can handle most anything under 2" if I go slow enough, right?

1 more question - Is a flail mower the same thing as a flail chopper?
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #909  
Ah, mullen! I thought that only Colorado had the joy of this biannual plant. Nice to share it. I am told that it is sometimes called miners torch. The poor miners would dip it in kerosene/oil and light the dried stalk tips. That's the story I was told. I mow mine (not much of a problem on my property) with a bush hog style mower. I'll bet they grow really well where you have water. But one of these days I'll have a flail mower.
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #911  
It sounds like the flail can handle most anything under 2" if I go slow enough, right?

1 more question - Is a flail mower the same thing as a flail chopper?

1) Yes, my Caroni can deal with 2 inch brush. Not sure about 2 inch oak saplings but brush has not been a problem. You need to go slow and if it is thick I generally back into that sort of material so it gets cut twice, once in and then coming back out. The plants you showed in the photo are things I would drive over forwards and expect they would be fully cut in a single pass but as I've never actually cut that exact plant I cannot say for sure.

2) I have never seen a chopper but my impression is they are about the same thing as a rough cut flail.

The photo shows the remains of a bush that had about a 1.5-2 inch base after backing in and out.
 

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/ Let's talk flail mowers #912  
My Ford 917 has these knives on it.

I've sharpened them once, but how many times can I sharpen them?

They will eventually get narrow as they shorten and eventually there will not be enough overlap and you will be leaving thin strips of uncut fine grass between the blades... KennyV
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #913  
thanks for all the advice yall.

IslandTractor - yeah thats just a photo I found on the internet. Its not from our property. The hayfield wont have any branches like that.

The mullein can get HUGE! I just cleared some yesterday w a Stihl Weedwhacker (metal head) and some were ~7 ft tall and had 2" stems.

It sounds like the flail can handle most anything under 2" if I go slow enough, right?

1 more question - Is a flail mower the same thing as a flail chopper?

Alec the flail shredder is the same thing but much stronger in building due to the heavy rotor and kinves -some have the P knives some have the grass knives.

understand that that means two different rotor types both are very good for shredding and heavy brush, you just have to go slower for a better close cut and the hammer knives dull a bit quicker versus the Y blades but you could use either type mowing high the first pass and lower ground- we have mullein up in new york and it shreds nicely as it is heavy grass relative like sugar cane and corn if my memory is right.

You can buy a heavy rotor for hammer knives with a new Caroni if you wish to do so, but as you are not clearing land like Iron Horse does down under with his Berti flail and hammer knives it may be a bit much.

But if you have the opportunity to buy a used one have a large enough tractor for power and its something you can afford they are work horses.


Here is a link for Used Tractors For Sale at TractorHouse.com: John Deere Tractors, used farm tractors and farm equipment, tractors for sale, Case IH, New Holland, Agco, Kubota I always end up drooling at the new stuff especially :laughing::licking::thumbsup:

There are whole herd of online frm auction services all over the internet for you to examine. There are a lot of good used flail choppers in the mid west as they shred a lot of corn and bean ground and in california its orchard brush, cotton stalks, and corn stalks as well.

Buying a used flail chopper with Y blades is not a mistake either as you can resharpen them as well. the mathews M-C flail choppers have the Y blades and the hammer knives for options.

you just have to be sure you have enough PTO power for a wide shredder- and if it has Y blades thats OK too.

The flail choppers the mathews company makes which also use the Y blades they have spring locked shackles and you can change the blades by hand compressing the hanger spring to allow passage of the damaged or dull blade out of the hanger loop and rrplace it with a sharp y blade.


leonz
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #914  
Update on my dad's Caroni TM1900: Bought brand new July 1, & it's only got probably 5 hours at most on it, but it's turned out to be disappointingly unable to handle chopping up/ shredding/ destroying small oak branches, even pinky finger diameter. These thin little branches just wrap around the shaft, bind it up & bog the tractor. Don't think the belts will last long like that. So, instead he now just mows grass only, no woody stuff. It handles tall grass just fine, probably better than a regular RFM, but I think the comparisons to a rotary cutter are probably not really too justified. Seems to me it leans much closer to a RFM than a rotary.
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #915  
turned out to be disappointingly unable to handle chopping up/ shredding/ destroying small oak branches
he now just mows grass only, no woody stuff. It handles tall grass just fine,
much closer to a RFM than a rotary.

A flail with heavy knives (rough cut) will eat up about anything you roll over,...
They will shred just like a hammer mill.

The lighter blades are more suited to finish mowing... and they do a fine job.
Both types work best at high speed, if you are using a lighter blade and mowing heavier material you will get better results running above PTO RPM. KennyV
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #916  
It seems to me that if you do change to those rough cut heavy knives & go to mow these same branches, as you mow into them & advance into them, if they're not quite cut all the way thru, I think the branches may still just get grabbed & wrapped around the flail's roller. Then you have to stop & un-wrap them. Am I wrong? Do you think a flail with those heavy knives will avoid a complete bind-up?

I admit to having mowed only about 1/5th acre with his new flail; It was all grass & did great. But his description of attemtping to mow those few small branches didn't sound too good. With the bush hog I could easily shred those branches.
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #917  
I've used a large rough cut Ford flail, smaller Mott and a big CTL finish (lighter knife) flail used them on everything from Bermuda grass to long heavy vines and green Osage orange limbs... so long as I kept RPM high so there was a lot of velocity at the knife, there was never any problem with shredding vegetation... Now phone line, (the burial type), that is another thing... it and fence wire WILL wind up rather fast... you will have a big ball quick. KennyV
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #918  
Update on my dad's Caroni TM1900: Bought brand new July 1, & it's only got probably 5 hours at most on it, but it's turned out to be disappointingly unable to handle chopping up/ shredding/ destroying small oak branches, even pinky finger diameter. These thin little branches just wrap around the shaft, bind it up & bog the tractor. Don't think the belts will last long like that. So, instead he now just mows grass only, no woody stuff. It handles tall grass just fine, probably better than a regular RFM, but I think the comparisons to a rotary cutter are probably not really too justified. Seems to me it leans much closer to a RFM than a rotary.

That is just weird, I mow a lot for my father, it is in a marshy area, lots of vines, and branches on the ground. . . i mow over them just fine with my caroni. as a mater fact i have driven over trees 1-2" din diameter at bass and have chewed them up to splinters. Now the mower makes a lot of noise and i have to go slow to do that but i've had no trouble.

I also trimmed a lot of trees at the house last month, mostly oak, but some shrubs and ceder. after picking up the bulk and bring to the burn pile i ran the flail over what the grapple wouldn't pick up and it mulched it fine.
 
/ Let's talk flail mowers #920  
I've never mowed oak saplings or branches but that size woody material in general is no problem. Sometimes I mow material twice to really mulch it but the only thing I have had wrap around my mower shaft is rubber hose. As others have noted, raise the RPM to PTO speed and see if that helps.
 
 

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