Tractor Sizing Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact?

/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #61  
If I remember right.... the x748 has an uncut circle of 2' NOT a 2' turning radius. The x748 will no doubt out manuever the 1026R, but I think the 2' vs 7' numbers are not "apples to apples".

You are correct, the x748 is measuring the Inside turning radius and the 1026r is measuring the Outside turning radius. Actually, one turns about the same radius as the other. The difference is two different guys in marketing didn't talk to each other before writing the spec sheet for publication.
 
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The John Deere website definitely shows the "turning radius" as 25" for the X700 series and 7.4' for the 1026R (pull up either model and check under Steering Specifications). The website also shows that the X740, for example, is capable of a 28" uncut circle radius with the 62X deck. However, I can find no official reference to the uncut circle radius for any deck on the 1026R.

The Husqvarna seems to have a much wider turning radius than I would have expected, but it does work. Inexplicably, the turning radius to the right is almost twice as wide as it is turning to the left. Turning right, I bet it's not far off the JD 1026R's 7.4'! Whatever it is, it's not possible to zip up and down adjacent rows without doing a 3 point turn at the end of each row. Instead, I've been mowing around the edges and zipping up one side of the yard, half way across the yard on the other end, and back down again. It's a rather inefficient way to mow, but its faster than the push mower by a long shot. It would probably take me about 2 hours to mow the whole 1.5 acres with the Husqvarna, vs. ~6 hours to do it with the push mower.

Now, if I could mow the whole place with an X700 in about an hour (pure speculation), it might save me 35 hours per year. Between that and the predicted satisfaction of driving a high end garden tractor, it's probably something I'll think about constantly until I finally buy one.

Update on the Husqvarna: The shop discovered a missing washer on one of the blade spindles. Once they added the required part, the noise problem was resolved. So, for now, I have a working mower that doesn't sound like a helicopter. The cut is pretty good, too. I can make do with it until it breaks again or until I can build a shed big enough to cover something larger.
 
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/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact?
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You are correct, the x748 is measuring the Inside turning radius and the 1026r is measuring the Outside turning radius. Actually, one turns about the same radius as the other. The difference is two different guys in marketing didn't talk to each other before writing the spec sheet for publication.

Bigtiller, I didn't notice your comment before my last post. Interesting observation. Those silly marketing guys!
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #64  
Well here is what I have. I have a Bad Boy 60" ZTR, a Toro self-propelled 21" and a Kubota B7500 with bush hog. I can mow the 4 acres with the bush hog and does an good job but is really for the taller rougher stuff. I also mow with that one for a side line business. I use the 60" ZTR and beside a lot of fun I can mow the 4 acres faster and better with that then the bush hog. Since this is a finishing mower naturally the grass looks better. Sorry about the prob's with the Husqvarna but my brother in law has one and sorry to say a piece of junk. It seem their quality over the last couple of years has tanked. I was at one point looking for a RFM for the tractor but the dealer said the I can mow faster with the ZTR.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #65  
If I remember right.... the x748 has an uncut circle of 2' NOT a 2' turning radius. The x748 will no doubt out manuever the 1026R, but I think the 2' vs 7' numbers are not "apples to apples".



The x749 has a 21 turning radius, the x748 has a 25" turning radius, the 1026R has a 7.4' turning radius, the 2720 has a 8.2' turning radius and the 4720 has a 9.4' turning radius. This is for hydraulic fwd for the mowers and mfwd for the tractors, I suspect it is hard to get the tight turning radius out of the mfwd without issues.


Edit; Now if the difference is whether measuring the inside or outside radius that would make up for the large discrepancy. If someone knows what the uncut radius is for the 1026R that would be good to know.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #66  
Personal preference here...
Go with the sub compact tractor...
The x700 series by Deere is a fine machine...
But for most folk like the additional capabilities of the sub compact over the X700 series...
I would think that most Deere dealers sell more sub compacts than the X700 series due to price and extra the extra capacity of the tractor.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #67  
Good luck in your decision.
I have an X728, I use it all year long. It's been strong reliable.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #68  
The x749 has a 21 turning radius, the x748 has a 25" turning radius, the 1026R has a 7.4' turning radius, the 2720 has a 8.2' turning radius and the 4720 has a 9.4' turning radius. This is for hydraulic fwd for the mowers and mfwd for the tractors, I suspect it is hard to get the tight turning radius out of the mfwd without issues.


Edit; Now if the difference is whether measuring the inside or outside radius that would make up for the large discrepancy. If someone knows what the uncut radius is for the 1026R that would be good to know.


I had a chance to measure the inside turning radius of my JD 2720, which is quite a bit larger than the X-series or the new 1-series. What I did was turn in as tight of a circle as possible on leval concrete and measure the tire scrub left on the concrete. It measured about a 40 inch inside radius. So if this big thing can turn in a 40" radius I'm positave the 1 series does not have a 7.4' inside radius.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #69  
I had a chance to measure the inside turning radius of my JD 2720, which is quite a bit larger than the X-series or the new 1-series. What I did was turn in as tight of a circle as possible on leval concrete and measure the tire scrub left on the concrete. It measured about a 40 inch inside radius. So if this big thing can turn in a 40" radius I'm positave the 1 series does not have a 7.4' inside radius.
That is not how you measure "turning radius".

See
Turning radius - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Wrooster
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #70  
Tractor gives you something that is multi use. It can tow, lift a CAT 0 or CAT I three point hitch load. The tractor can also spin a 540 rpm load such as a roto-tiller, 15KW generator or a snowblower. The tractor will also mount a useable loader.
Turn radius, who cares. I run a push mower and trim the spots neither machine can reach in corners , under trees etc.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #71  
I had a chance to measure the inside turning radius of my JD 2720, which is quite a bit larger than the X-series or the new 1-series. What I did was turn in as tight of a circle as possible on leval concrete and measure the tire scrub left on the concrete. It measured about a 40 inch inside radius. So if this big thing can turn in a 40" radius I'm positave the 1 series does not have a 7.4' inside radius.


I think a 40" inside turning radius on the 2720 is pretty good, I think you made a good choice in tractors by the way.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #72  
I think a 40" inside turning radius on the 2720 is pretty good, I think you made a good choice in tractors by the way.


Thanks jenkinshp. I think/hope you are right. My 2305 could get under powered easily if I wasn't carefull. But the big reason I jumped up to the 2720 is for the ride. Those 36 inch tires are awesome!
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #73  
Turn radius, who cares. I run a push mower and trim the spots neither machine can reach in corners , under trees etc.

Many will care. I use a 425 AWS. I Cut about 1.75 acres in 1.5 hours. When done. I don't have to touch a push mower or weed eater. And I have many tens of obstacles to mow around. If I had to trim with a push mower or weedeater, it would easily add an hour or more to my cutting time. When time is precious, turning radius can be a real savior. I'll never give up AWS for mowing..... unless I sell out and move to place with just wide open field. All depends on your property situation. For the property I have, my "big" tractor (CK25) stays parked for mowing. A Subcut would be a slight improvement over my CUT. But, my little JD will mow circles around both of them. It is also superior for snow. But besides grass and snow, a real tractor it's not.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #74  
Gittyup,
I care too, the less trimming the better. While I still have a good Stihl string trimmer, Deere JS45 trimmer mower with front casters and Stihl backpack blower the less I need to use these the better I like it.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #75  
Ritmatt, have you bought a tractor? I know you have been looking and have gotten some sound advice and I was, for one, curious to know what direction you may have gone here. I would say as a matter of response to one of your prior questions that the X series machines in 4WD handle a loader just fine---I had one. However, the loader itself is slow and has limited lift capacity making the 1023 or 1026 more capable with loader work. I find it interesting to hear that the X series machines are not "as capable" as a sub-compact tractor. They absolutely are, with the exception of hydraulic work (which is pretty important) and use many of the same attachments. Truth is I am a fan of the 1026 and the X series machines.

John M
 
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Ritmatt, have you bought a tractor?

No, not yet. I've been getting by with a freebie Husqvarna riding mower. Now that the grass is going dormant and I've inherited the riding mower, there's not as much pressure to buy right away. I keep going back and forth, but I think I'm leaning towards the X. I'm with you, though - I like them both!

Thanks for checking in.
 
/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #77  
Wrooster wow! What a beautiful place! Not really related to the tractor discussion but where, if I may ask, did you get those doors for your out building? I'm about to build one for myself and I really like what you've done. Also you get a gold star for helpful input. It was a pleasure reading it and seeing the included photos.

FWIW I'm about to pull the trigger on a 1026r. The only thing holding me back at the moment are a few suggestions that I go up to a 2 series instead. Your pictures make me think it's not necessary.

Sorry for the hijack.
 
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/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #78  
Wrooster wow! What a beautiful place! Not really related to the tractor discussion but where, if I may ask, did you get those doors for your out building? I'm about to build one for myself and I really like what you've done. Also you get a gold star for helpful input. It was a pleasure reading it and seeing the included photos.
Thanks for the kind words.

The doors are custom from Scott Hahn at Hahn's Woodworking in Branchburg NJ. Please note that he makes very high quality carriage and garage doors, and they will easily last 50 years because of unique methods of preparation and sealing. He offers his doors in a lot of different types of woods, from the not-so-expensive to the ultra-expensive. And, you can get the doors finished or unfinished; the latter saves you some money.

The model shown on my workshop is Hahn's SX401 in Rustic Cypress w/ light wirebrush finish.

Hahn's Woodworking Company, Inc. - Quality Garage Doors

Incidentally, I have been working on our carriage house/garage for the last year and am in the process of replacing the dilapidated 1930's-era rear door on it with a single door from Hahn's of the same design as the pair on the workshop. I'm almost ready to put the jamb into place and hang the door, see below.

Wrooster

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/ Lawn Tractor, Zero Turn, or Sub-compact? #79  
Very nice. And thanks for the information!
 
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Wrooster, that door is gorgeous! I love it!
 

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