Kid snaps loader arms

[spitter]

Just like title says I had my kid [18] digging out stumps from pine trees that died a few years ago due to needle cast . I guess he was back dragging or pulling with bucket curled and hit another tree root .He's usually pretty good on it because he's been on equiptment since he was 10.I usually supervise but I just had a knee replaced and can't walk to good yet. My question is where can I get it fixed or replaced cheapest .It's a tc29d with a 7308 loader . When I look it up on Messics web site it says Schwartz or ognidene one is 600 the other is 300 don't know the difference.Or should just go to a hydraulic shop an get them to fix it .Probabally won't be working for a few months so I need a cheap fix.

 

[mcfarmall]

So he bent the curl cylinder rods? The title of your post says "snaps loader arms" which would be the large heavy weldments that provide the structure for lifting and reaching with the bucket...basically the framework of the loader assembly. Anywho, I don't think a hydraulic shop around Kalamazoo can fix them for $300 so if you can buy a cylinder for $300, go for it.

The farther a cylinder is extended, the weaker it is structurally due to the shorter distance between the piston and the rod gland. This makes them susceptible to bending while experiencing a compression load that is encountered when back dragging with the bucket edge pointed to the ground.

 

[ddbackhoe]

if you're referring to the cylinders being broken, the two least expensive places I've found are :
YZOUTLET - | Hydraulic Cylinders, Gear Pumps, Logs-Splitter Valves & More!|
Hydraulic Cylinder Cross Tube - Magister Hydraulics

 

[cphilip]

I, for one and I bet not alone, would love to see pictures of this failure. I'm curiously morbid that way...

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I'm also curious. Did he really snap the loader arms off???

That would be an achievement. Albeit, a "bad" achievement.

Or did he just break the cylinders?

 

[Thomas]

Talking two different things which may affect the repair price.

 

[spitter]

Sorry for bad English I guess it's really called a piston rod that snapped .I Googgled it and there is a picture of a john deere with exactlay the same damage. Also sorry can't do pictures still on a flip phone.

 

[Kernopelli]

I would look for a new cylinder. Figure out the rod dia.,rod length,cylinder bore and pin size. Find a cylinder with match specs. ddbackhoe recommended 2 good dealers. I would also recommend Surplus Center. The cheapest route might be to take the old rod to a machine shop and have them make a new one.

 

[MessickFarmEqu]

thou shall never back drag with the bucket cylinders extended way out.

 

[joecdeere]

look at your gland nut to tell the difference, if you replace the complete cylinder you're gonna get a Ognibene

Schwartz See #6 looks to have 6 flats


Ognibene see item #3 only has two flats

 

[RickB]

thou shall never back drag with the bucket cylinders extended way out.

Again.

Experience is something you get right after you need it.

 

[Jstpssng]

Again.

Experience is something you get right after you need it.

Well said. At the rate I'm going, I expect to be a genius any day now.

 

[D2Cat]

This guy explains the problem in pictures, but it's probably in writing in your owner's manual. The Basics: Back Dragging with Loader Bucket - YouTube

 

[Tractor Seabee]

The smart money is to replace. Trying to repair will probably cost more than a new one. AS this is a balanced set situation it is highly advisable to replace both at the same time unless exact replacement is available (like OEM the most expensive route). Surplus center will probably have 2 for the price of one at the Dealers.

Ron

 

[spitter]

Messicks for a elite member it would be nice if you helped instead of pouring salt in wound.Operative word was kid did it when I was laid up with knee replacement.It's easy to tell someone to do something it' hard to tell them everything not to do .Replies like Joecdeere providing helpful information instead of sarcasm is very much appreciated.Especially when I called your shop and you could not tell me how to tell the difference between the Schwartz and Ognibene cylinder.Maybe you should hire him.Now that's sarcasm.Thanks Joecdeere I'll have to check that out when I could hobble out there.:drink:

 

[BrokenTrack]

It happens. I knew a guy that snapped both of his off when trying to lift a hemlock log onto a trailer with a set of forks. He had plenty of experience, it was just too big of a log, but then he had lifted big logs in the past. The only equipment that does not break is one that is parked, and that makes no sense.

Surplus Center is your best bet.

 

[tractorshopper]

Messicks for a elite member it would be nice if you helped instead of pouring salt in wound.Operative word was kid did it when I was laid up with knee replacement.It's easy to tell someone to do something it' hard to tell them everything not to do .Replies like Joecdeere providing helpful information instead of sarcasm is very much appreciated.Especially when I called your shop and you could not tell me how to tell the difference between the Schwartz and Ognibene cylinder.Maybe you should hire him.Now that's sarcasm.Thanks Joecdeere I'll have to check that out when I could hobble out there.:drink:

I don't think Messick was pouring salt in the wound. I really think he was trying to lighten it up with some humor. Sometimes when we read written things and can't see the smirk on the other end, it can be misconstrued. I do believe this is one of those cases.

The good new is that reading this thread, I learned something new. Don't back drag with bucket curled down. This is helpful. Thanks for sharing.

 

[prichard]

Messicks for a elite member it would be nice if you helped instead of pouring salt in wound.Operative word was kid did it when I was laid up with knee replacement.It's easy to tell someone to do something it' hard to tell them everything not to do .Replies like Joecdeere providing helpful information instead of sarcasm is very much appreciated.Especially when I called your shop and you could not tell me how to tell the difference between the Schwartz and Ognibene cylinder.Maybe you should hire him.Now that's sarcasm.Thanks Joecdeere I'll have to check that out when I could hobble out there.:drink:

I fail to see how messick poured salt in the wound

 

[D2Cat]

You indicate the "kid" had 8 years of experience. So someone points out some basic rules of using a loader on a tractor, and it's considered pouring salt on a wound because you didn't follow the rules?

Kind of like when someone mentions carrying a youngster on a riding mower while mowing is dangerous. The typical response is "It's none of your business."

 

[Doofy]

I snapped both loader rams on a John Deere a few years ago. I had a full bucket raised fairly high, hit a bump and "Snap". Lower the bucket before racing down the trail! That cost me $1100.