HD Box Blade?

[scoutcub]

dMy boxblade is an industrial Gannon built for Frontier as the BB1284 7' boxblade with hydraulic scarifiers 1250 lbs. Works well with my 4520 which weighs about 5500 lbs with weights. Great hard working tool.:thumbsup:

That's a very nice setup Steve. Assuming that's a 52HP JD? I'm on the fence between 72" and 84"....think I will go with the 72". Where did you get your topntilt?

 

[scoutcub]

That was your 2nd mistake...

David

I've made a lot more than 2 mistakes.....:laughing::laughing:

BTW....how the heck did you pass me up on posts......:smiley_aafz::laughing:


Frank

 

[jenkinsph]

That's a very nice setup Steve. Assuming that's a 52HP JD? I'm on the fence between 72" and 84"....think I will go with the 72". Where did you get your topntilt?

The 4520 is 60 hp (2009) and the topntilt is a Deere factory setup. This boxblade was originally purchased with my 110tlb 43 hp. I think weight is more of the concern than available hp within reason.

If I were buying a topntilt I would buy from Brian at Fit Rite Hydraulics, good quality, good service and well made to fit your specific tractor.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

I've made a lot more than 2 mistakes.....:laughing::laughing:

BTW....how the heck did you pass me up on posts......:smiley_aafz::laughing:


Frank

Easy Frank... I'm a n00b who don't know how to do nuthin and I keeps askin dumb questions!

That and I tend to make too many wise cracks...



David

 

[Piston]

I am highly highly highly recommending a good heavy duty box scraper with hydraulic scarifiers. The hydraulic scarifiers are really nice and I would never go without that, but they aren't mandatory by any means.
The HD part of though I really think is worth every penny. I have a HD 78" landpride that I picked up used off eBay. Of course it is harder to find used but if you keep your eyes out you may be lucky. I have a 45hp Kubota L4610 With loaded rears (rimguard) and even with the 1,000lb box blade on the back I can just manage to lift the rears off the ground. I would like another couple hundred pounds and will add some weight to it. I can stop the tractor with the blade but I simply lift the box up a bit then lower it. I had a lot of questions as well before I bought and had I not asked on here and listened to the hd recommendations I would have been disappointed. If money is a concern (and when isn't it) then my opinion is to wait a bit and look for a good used box blade with hydraulic scarifiers and use the money you saved to buy top n tilt kit from fit rite. You won't find better customer service anywhere than you'll find from brian. Someone mentioned CCM and I called them first when I was looking, they told me they are too busy for me because it was hay season and to call back later in the year, I am not making that up, I was shocked they turned me away.

I can't stress enough how happy I am that I went with a HD box blade and honestly the hydraulic scarifiers are worth so much more than you ever thought. Just leave some money left over for top n tilt, even if you have to buy one at a time.

I did t have the money so I bought the side link first (because I snapped my original one and the hyd one from Brian was 10 dollars CHEAPER than a manual replacement from kubota.

One other thing, CCM's top link is 2" diameter and fit rite hydraulics is 2 1/2" diameter.

Also, regarding medium duty and adding weight, it's not the same as HeAvy duty. Just look at the part that the 3 pt hitch hooks up to. There is a huge difference in how much more stout the heavy duty connections are vs the medium duty, just google image for some comparisons. On lighter duty models you'll find flat bar steel making up the connecting frame and on HD models you'll see heavy thick walled steel tubing instead of easily bent flat bar.

 

[scoutcub]

I am highly highly highly recommending a good heavy duty box scraper with hydraulic scarifiers. The hydraulic scarifiers are really nice and I would never go without that, but they aren't mandatory by any means.
The HD part of though I really think is worth every penny. I have a HD 78" landpride that I picked up used off eBay. Of course it is harder to find used but if you keep your eyes out you may be lucky. I have a 45hp Kubota L4610 With loaded rears (rimguard) and even with the 1,000lb box blade on the back I can just manage to lift the rears off the ground. I would like another couple hundred pounds and will add some weight to it. I can stop the tractor with the blade but I simply lift the box up a bit then lower it. I had a lot of questions as well before I bought and had I not asked on here and listened to the hd recommendations I would have been disappointed. If money is a concern (and when isn't it) then my opinion is to wait a bit and look for a good used box blade with hydraulic scarifiers and use the money you saved to buy top n tilt kit from fit rite. You won't find better customer service anywhere than you'll find from brian. Someone mentioned CCM and I called them first when I was looking, they told me they are too busy for me because it was hay season and to call back later in the year, I am not making that up, I was shocked they turned me away.

I can't stress enough how happy I am that I went with a HD box blade and honestly the hydraulic scarifiers are worth so much more than you ever thought. Just leave some money left over for top n tilt, even if you have to buy one at a time.

I did t have the money so I bought the side link first (because I snapped my original one and the hyd one from Brian was 10 dollars CHEAPER than a manual replacement from kubota.

One other thing, CCM's top link is 2" diameter and fit rite hydraulics is 2 1/2" diameter.

Also, regarding medium duty and adding weight, it's not the same as HeAvy duty. Just look at the part that the 3 pt hitch hooks up to. There is a huge difference in how much more stout the heavy duty connections are vs the medium duty, just google image for some comparisons. On lighter duty models you'll find flat bar steel making up the connecting frame and on HD models you'll see heavy thick walled steel tubing instead of easily bent flat bar.

Piston -

Appreciate the detailed response! I definitely will go with a HD box, and just found a place to rimguard the rears. I'm still at odds with the hydraulic scarifiers.......I'm sure they're nice but don't know if I really need em. And, do you need another set of rear remotes if you have a topntilt? Do you use the scarifiers a lot?
I will probably purchase a topntilt from brian (fitrite) down the road, just need t save a few $$$ for all the new tools.
I find it interesting you can lift the rears of your tractor.....what is the loader capacity, and how much are you lifting to lift the rears? Do you know how much the rimguard adds to the rears?

thanks again -


Frank

 

[Piston]

I'm still at odds with the hydraulic scarifiers.......I'm sure they're nice but don't know if I really need em.

You certainly don't need them, they are really nice to have and I won't be without them from now on, however, if I never had hydraulic scarifiers in the first place, I wouldn't know how nice they are :laughing: I think the next best thing would be a manual lever where you can lower and raise the scarifires from the seat.
I think it also depends on how often you think you would raise and lower them, if it's long runs where you rarely get off the tractor to change the setup, then you won't miss them. I do a lot of 'woods work' where I will lower them for only 10' or so then back up and scrape over the top with them raised. Sometimes I will lower the scarifiers when cleaning up branches and random debris to use them almost like a rake, to get the big stuff out of there, then back up and grade without them. This is when it's nice to be able to raise and lower from the seat.
If you have Top N Tilt, you would need at least 3 rear remotes, 2 for top n tilt and one for the scarifiers. If you can only have two rear remotes, skip the hydraulic scarifiers. The Top N Tilt is 10 times more useful, of course, the 3 together is the cat's meow.

I will probably purchase a topntilt from brian (fitrite)

Good Choice :thumbsup:
I have only the side link right now, and have already sent my order for the top link. I couldn't swing the whole enchilada at one time, so I ordered them seperately. I hate having to get off to adjust my toplink, so I can't wait for the cylinder to arrive. However, I also don't have to adjust my top link as often as many box bladers, because I have a hinged box blade, not fixed. (unless I bolt it fixed which can be helpful too)

what is the loader capacity, and how much are you lifting to lift the rears? Do you know how much the rimguard adds to the rears?

I can lift the rears (or at least one of them) in pretty much ideal (or should I say the worst?) circumstances. I am just about at the balance point with weight, in other words it wouldn't take much more weight to get me to the point where my relief would go before the rears came off the ground.

My lift capacity with the LA852 loader is:

Lift capacity ... 1830 LB
Lift capacity (pivot pin) ... 2470 LB
Lift capacity (bucket center)... 1875 LB
Breakout force ... 3055 LB

I have about 50 gallons of Rimguard in each tire, so at roughly 11 lbs per gallon, that would make it an extra 1100 pounds.

I think I lied to you! I just looked back for the picture of me just barely lifting the rears off the ground, and I thought I had the box blade on the back of it when I did this, but I was wrong, I had the landscape rake which is of course barely anything compared to the box blade. I threw in a couple extra grapple pics for you as well.

 

[MossflowerWoods]

Piston -

Appreciate the detailed response! I definitely will go with a HD box, and just found a place to rimguard the rears. Do you know how much the rimguard adds to the rears?

thanks again -


Frank

Frank,

My dealer loaded mine with RV anti-freeze. It is non-toxic when/if it ever leaks out.

Just my :2cents:

David

 

[MossflowerWoods]

If you have Top N Tilt, you would need at least 3 rear remotes, 2 for top n tilt and one for the scarifiers. If you can only have two rear remotes, skip the hydraulic scarifiers. The Top N Tilt is 10 times more useful, of course, the 3 together is the cat's meow.

Hmmm... I wonder if I can get a 3rd rear remote....
Hmmm...

I am thinking my primary use for a HD Box Blade will be trail creation and maintenance in my "woods" similar to what you state.

Excllent pics too!

David

 

[Piston]

If you do end up using Rimguard make sure you shop around. One nearby Kubota dealership quoted me just shy of $8 per gallon, I called a few other places and another one I found did it for just over $4 per gallon.