FPT CNH diesel engines

[Hay Dude]

Anyone know them?
Good/Bad?

About all I know is “Fiat Power Train”, which does not exactly give me confidence.
Looking at a New Holland T6050 with 6.7L FPT diesel turned down quite a bit
Smaller treactor than I wanted, but choices are very limited. Would have to add cast wheels and weights to rear.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listing/for-sale/220451569/2010-new-holland-t6050-plus-100-hp-to-174-hp-tractors

 

[LouNY]

We have a T6030 on the farm it's been a good tractor. It did take some fine tuning by the dealer to get the power shift calibrated correctly.
I'm surprised at the low hours on the one listed as those are clock hours, ours is at around 7000 hours.
We did have to rebuild one front planetary, that was an expensive repair.

 

[Hay Dude]

Its not heavy enough for my liking. Looks like it’s about the same weight as the [AFFILIATE=1, nofollow=true, newwindow=true, title="Kubota"]Kubota[/AFFILIATE] I am selling. The loader is much heavier duty, but I think it would lift the ass end up.

Would need cast rims and several wheel weights on back.

How about the “FPT” engine? I know nothing about them

 

[LouNY]

I had to go back and look the farms NH is a T6040Plus.
It will lift the rear, wheel weights took care of that.
When it was purchased it was to reduce the work load on the CIH Puma 125 which was accumulating hours rapidly.
They are very similar tractors the Puma is about the same as the T6050 Elite would be.
I believe they are the same engines with different injection systems the Puma is electronic common rail, the T6040 Plus is a rotary mechanical injection, the T6040 Elite got the electronic common rail. The Plus has the 4 speed power shift with a power shift range and a clutch shift range to go from A-B to C-D. The Elite has a full power shift as does the Puma.

We have had no engine problems with either tractor.
They both get used almost daily for feeding cows as they both have loaders on them.
The Puma is also used on the round baler more then any others.

The Puma had some wiring harness issues were the seat suspension actually smashed a wire bundle (I no longer drive the Puma, my weight was the cause of the harness getting pinched) The T6040 does not have that harness and has not had that issue, I run the NH when needed.
They both have been good tractors.

 

[Hay Dude]

Thanks Lou,
This one is a 6050 Plus.
I like the 6.7L of displacement it has and I prefer a 6 cylinder to a 4 cylinder in the Kubota. Too many tractors today with small displacement and 4 cylinders trying make 150HP. Sounds like a recipe for a reman at 5,000 hours.

To me, the Quicke 6 is an awfully big loader for that tractor. I have same loader (Quicke 66) on my 15,000lb Challenger and it is perfect there.
On this 11,000lb NH 6050, it seems a bit oversized. I’d rather have oversized loader than undersized, though.

Tractordata has both the 6050 Plus & Elite with mechanical rotary pumps. The differences seem to be in the transmission and added luxury features. Elite is nice. Plus is “eh”.

I’ll have to look & see what a set of cast rear rims and inside the axle weights would cost. Front tires have snow studs and probably need replaced, too. Back tires not far behind, but they usually last forever.

Never ends…

 

[LouNY]

Thats true it's a never ending game.
One thing I'll mention it sounds like it has a heavy loader on it.
I don't recall the model the factory loader on the Puma is but it hasn't held up well,
the one on the NH hasn't given issues yet.

It has taken a bit of work on the loader frame.
I don't seem to have any pics but the cab end of the lift arms has also tore out and I've redo it and beefed it a bit.
This did get a decent rattle can paint job before it went back into service. It's been 4-5 years at least since this project was done.

 

[Hay Dude]

Is that an L750 loader

 

[LouNY]

I don't recall what model it is, I would expect it was the base loader for the PUMA 125.
If I remember the next time I'm around it I'll look.

 

[WM75Guy]

My Workmaster 75 has the FPT S8000 engine. So far I have not had any engine issues. After a quick search it looks like most of the larger NH tractors have the FPT engine.

FPT is a division of Iveco Group. The FPT division makes engines for on-road, off-road, and industrial applications. Other Iveco divisions make buses and trucks used in European countries, which I assume use FPT engines. I would think if they had a problem with their engines, it would have made the news by now.

 

[Hay Dude]

My Workmaster 75 has the FPT S8000 engine. So far I have not had any engine issues. After a quick search it looks like most of the larger NH tractors have the FPT engine.

FPT is a division of Iveco Group. The FPT division makes engines for on-road, off-road, and industrial applications. Other Iveco divisions make buses and trucks used in European countries, which I assume use FPT engines. I would think if they had a problem with their engines, it would have made the news by now.

Yeah, probably. I don’t know anything about them, but FPT is a very popular engine. I know when FIAT bought New Holland and Case-IH, they immediately began shoving their engines into them and dumped the American engines that were previously in them.
One of my tech buddies gave me the on them and said they were ok.
I’m big on N. European diesels, like Mann, Sisu, Deutz, Valmet, but like Cummins equally as well.
This CAT 6.6L Acert in my Challenger is very smooth and starts well in the cold. I have been running it 8 months now and zero issues.

 

[Paystar]

The FPT 6.7 is a solid engine. Every bit as good as the Cummins 6.7.
Ram was actually thinking of switching to the FPT 6.7 at one time I was told. But it's the name Cummins that makes the sales.

I wouldn't worry about the 4 cylinder Kubota compared to a 6. I've seen plenty of test videos of tractors towing loaded trailers up hills and the 4 cylinder Kubota out pulled them all.

 

[jaydee325]

In the late 70's, I was a construction equipment tech and got to rebuild one of the first Fiat diesels in the shop. Everyone in the shop was impressed by the build quality. It was a warranty rebuild (due to a bad operator that we were told was fired because he had a habit of damaging the owners equipment). We were surprised that the OEM even warranted it because it was clear neglect destroyed it.

So, the rebuild was by the book. This included the requirement of replacing all rod bolts (not uncommon in high performance applications) and each reciprocating assembly had to be balanced to within so many grams of each other (memory fails me here!)

These engines were smooth and quiet. I wouldn't be afraid of a Fiat diesel. Cars are another story!

 

[Hay Dude]

The FPT 6.7 is a solid engine. Every bit as good as the Cummins 6.7.
Ram was actually thinking of switching to the FPT 6.7 at one time I was told. But it's the name Cummins that makes the sales.

I wouldn't worry about the 4 cylinder Kubota compared to a 6. I've seen plenty of test videos of tractors towing loaded trailers up hills and the 4 cylinder Kubota out pulled them all.

I’d enjoy watching that. Please post if possible.
6 cylinder engines always felt more powerful to me than 4 cylinder, but the Kubota M135X did do well on the pull test.

TractorData.com Kubota M135X tractor tests information

www.tractordata.com

 

[Hay Dude]

So a little update on the tractor:
The seller advertised the tractor as a “Plus”, but it’s actually a “Delta” which is a downgraded, more basic tractor. It has open center hydraulics (same as Kubota, not really a big fan of) and it doesn’t have the nice armrest controls, either.
Love the Quicke Q6 loader and the front hitch/PTO, though.
I think I may skip this one.

 

[Paystar]

Here's one Hay Dude. maybe the transmission helped too?

 

[Hay Dude]

I think with the Kubota having 170HP versus the Deere 155HP at lower speeds makes the difference.
The more speed you add, the better the Deere fares with it’s higher end power boost above 10kph.

I don’t know the transmissions, but the gear change with the Deere causes it to lose boost between shifts.

Interesting that I have the same engine (6.1L) in my older M126X, but it’s turned down to 126HP.
Heard lots of good things about the M-7, but I like my Massey with the 200HP Sisu and the CVT a lot. She’s a keeper.

 

[Paystar]

I think with the Kubota having 170HP versus the Deere 155HP at lower speeds makes the difference.
The more speed you add, the better the Deere fares with it’s higher end power boost above 10kph.

I don’t know the transmissions, but the gear change with the Deere causes it to lose boost between shifts.

Interesting that I have the same engine (6.1L) in my older M126X, but it’s turned down to 126HP.
Heard lots of good things about the M-7, but I like my Massey with the 200HP Sisu and the CVT a lot. She’s a keeper.

Ya, I really like Massey's and Sisu is also an awesome engine. But around here all our Massey dealers disappeared even though it was all MF tractors in this area back in the day. There still a LOT of old Massey's at work here.

For some reason Agco only wants to push Fendt in North America now too.

 

[Hay Dude]

Ya, I really like Massey's and Sisu is also an awesome engine. But around here all our Massey dealers disappeared even though it was all MF tractors in this area back in the day. There still a LOT of old Massey's at work here.

For some reason Agco only wants to push Fendt in North America now too.

Agree. My AGCO dealers are bringing in and pushing Fendts like drugs.
Maybe one or 2 Masseys for every 6-8 Fendts.
Challenger all but gone.

 

[Hay Dude]

You know FIAT cars had spotty reliability, but sometimes I have to remember that FIAT‘s main business is industrial and commercial machinery. Sometimes I get Fiat car poor reliability mixed up with their industrial machine quality.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

My AGCO dealer is also a Kubota dealer, he always has Masseys in stock, along with Kubotas.

There's no Fendt dealers close by me.

SR