Chinese digger recommendations

[TexTrctr]

Interesting, the updated XIX is quite a deal I would say. Many improvements over the one I sold earlier this year. Now available from Walmart for $12,999!

 

[dfkrug]

I just went into the Typhon website and couldn’t find anything on their hydraulics like you mention.

There are several Utube vids that show the final drives, and mention the cushion valves.

It looks like the final drives in the vendor video here have enclosed planetary gear boxes. It also lists "Two-way relief rotary motor" in the description.

 

[Carl_NH]

I just went into the Typhon website and couldn’t find anything on their hydraulics like you mention. Do you have a link? Thanks.

It's on their website and here too - as I posted above - you need to click the link and then scroll down the page and read etc, You will see a rabbot/turtle switch too on controls.

Pardon Our Interruption...

 

[Carl_NH]

Typhon Machinery Mini Excavators for Sale

Designed for Small Projects: The TYPHON TERROR XIX STORM yard excavator was specially engineered for small construction projects, featuring a compact but reliable design that ensures easy maneuverability in small areas, including farms, gardens, public spaces, parks, orchards, farms, and more...

typhonmachinery.com

 

[nogaltractorguy]

Yup. Saw all that now. Not sure which Typhon site I visited but I didn’t see any of that.

Makes the machine a very compelling option.

 

[nogaltractorguy]

Interesting, the updated XIX is quite a deal I would say. Many improvements over the one I sold earlier this year. Now available from Walmart for $12,999!

They also have the biggest X2 Storm for $17,998. It’s a nice one.

 

[TexTrctr]

...and I really like that they reinforced the thumb on the new XIX. I bent the one on my earlier XIX model digging up a stump. I ended up selling it before I could fix it but it looks like the Typhon (or Vote/Huayee) guys are learning and making improvements. BTW, and for what it's worth, I still like my Bull (Hightop) unit but I think Vote is better quality. If I was in the market, they would be high on my list.

 

[dfkrug]

You will see a rabbot/turtle switch too on controls.

I looked at the detailed description on the website and eBay listing, and it seems there is a single-speed piston motor in the final drives. You can clearly see oil fill and drain ports on the drive gearboxes.

Pix of the triple hyd pump look like gear pumps. I wonder how they achieve the load-sensing they claim.

If I were a buyer, I would ask the importer in LA to provide a lot more info on the hydraulic system, including a schematic.

 

[Carl_NH]

DF - Good point, and I did ask the Typhoon rep the same question and details on the Hyd system. All I got was its a three pump system with load sensing valves, and a separate piston pump for the drives.

I asked about the rabbit switch on the console, and also the total flow rate of the pumps, They stated 35LPM for the main pumps and could not answer the flow rate for the rotary drive pumps.

This IMO is typical, they upgrade the machines in the factory weeks or months before marketing gets the details, then the final detail filters into the marketing dept and out to customers. Same as any mfg operartion.

That being said, I agree, a direct connection with Chris at Typhoon in China would be suggested to verify, They are very good at replying when asked directly but they arent the Mfg co as Typhon doesn't build the machines, they are a reseller there and use many of the same suppliers as Huayee etc.

They are all in the same Shandong province/area so share suppliers,

 

[dfkrug]

DF - Good point, and I did ask the Typhoon rep the same question and details on the Hyd system. All I got was its a three pump system with load sensing valves, and a separate piston pump for the drives.

Hmm. A piston PUMP, too? That sure differs from anything they said on the website. My guess is the guy or gal you spoke with does not know. A separate piston pump for the fixed-displacement drive motors would be great.

Now, I admit that I did not get a good look at the pump(s) and valves in the videos I saw, but so far, the only load-sensing I have seen on any 1-2T Chinese minis is a dual-chamber gear pump with RV between the chambers.

And you are right, the factory (whoever they are) is making constant changes, and poorly communicating them to their many resellers. Plus, technical details have always been hard to get, and things are definitely getting more complicated. I would love to take one of those apart.

Note that just a year ago, the Typhon Terror XIX still had geroler final direct-drive motors.

 

[FullMetalBucket]

I think I’ve got one of these in my future, probably spring. Considering Typhoon and Kymron. Lots of positive review videos. Seems they both have US support.

I have multiple digging projects and I think it will pay for itself vs renting something multiple times at who know what a whack. Probably 1500 or so every time. I don’t live at the property up north yet so having to plan around when I could get there, weather etc is a concern with renting.

I dug out about as much as I could with my T25 with my bucket on my driveway project, but I need to dig out another 5 feet on width and shape and thin the embankment where it intersects with the road. Then there’s stumps to dig, rocks to dig up (or bury if too big). Lots of fallen trees to clean up etc.

 

[nogaltractorguy]

The problem with Chinese excavators is the severe lack of information. Right now I’m looking into the TT XIX and SHY15. Not sure the SHY15 is worth $6k over the XIX.

 

[MattB4]

Unfortunately it is not just the lack of information but sometimes the information they provide is wrong. You get unreliable machine weights, horsepower, and what features are on the excavator. You also get some strange quality control issues and even worse thought out designs.

With all that though the low cost and real usability can still make it an acceptable choice to have one.

 

[Carl_NH]

I did hear from machinery asia specs on the three pump system whereas most of the machines have a single gear pump with a port to feed the pilot controls. So this is a definite step up in flow and volume, but not a vaiable piston pump like the SHY series have from Huayee. That seems to be one of the main differences that I can see between them.

3 pump displacement: 10ml/r+10ml/r+3ml/r
10 ML/R = 5 GPM at 2000 RPM (or 20 LPM))
main system flow: 35L/min
motor driver flow: 35L/min
pilot flow: 3L/min (.8 GPM)
system pressure: 25Mpa
bucket digging force: 17Kn
travel speed: 2.1km/h
hydraulic oil tank: 19.2L
diesel oil tank: 10.7L

 

[nogaltractorguy]

I did hear from machinery asia specs on the three pump system whereas most of the machines have a single gear pump with a port to feed the pilot controls. So this is a definite step up in flow and volume, but not a vaiable piston pump like the SHY series have from Huayee. That seems to be one of the main differences that I can see between them.

3 pump displacement: 10ml/r+10ml/r+3ml/r
10 ML/R = 5 GPM at 2000 RPM (or 20 LPM))
main system flow: 35L/min
motor driver flow: 35L/min
pilot flow: 3L/min (.8 GPM)
system pressure: 25Mpa
bucket digging force: 17Kn
travel speed: 2.1km/h
hydraulic oil tank: 19.2L
diesel oil tank: 10.7L

From their website and chatting with them I still don’t know what type of pump is has. The below is straight from their site.

“TERROR XIX's Upgraded Triple-Load Sensing Valves and Load-Sensing Triple Pumps are built to harness the full potential of Kubota D902 engines This system provides higher hydraulic flow and more precise oil distribution, ensuring exceptionally smooth and stable machine operation. The triple pumps can supply oil to different actuators (such as the boom, bucket, and travel motor) independently.”

I think the may have updated their description. It now mentions a piston travel motor. What exactly is that? I’m hoping it is planetary travel motors. I’m concerned about freewheeling downhill.

Yesterday, the Typhon website mentioned something about a plunger pump.

 

[Carl_NH]

Nogaltractorguy - tjhey are gear pumps - but three of them instead of one, as they described the pump for the drives is separate from the boom and digning, and the pilot controls has a 3LPM pump.

I looked up the gear pump specs for 10ML/R pumps at 2000 rpm they generate 20LPM (not 35) but still this machine has 43 LPM overall vs 25 LPM for the other similar 2 ton class machine is a big improvement.

As far as the drive motors go they are the enclosed piston style and these have braking as standard, I believe, but that's outside my knowledge department .

 

[nogaltractorguy]

Nogaltractorguy - tjhey are gear pumps - but three of them instead of one, as they described the pump for the drives is separate from the boom and digning, and the pilot controls has a 3LPM pump.

I looked up the gear pump specs for 10ML/R pumps at 2000 rpm they generate 20LPM (not 35) but still this machine has 43 LPM overall vs 25 LPM for the other similar 2 ton class machine is a big improvement.

As far as the drive motors go they are the enclosed piston style and these have braking as standard, I believe, but that's outside my knowledge department .

I’ve been comparing the XIX with the SHY15 which is $18k and can’t find anything that would sway me towards the SHY. The thumb on the XIX is braced, the tracks are longer and both seem to expand to the same width. The XIX has a bigger engine. Both have flat floors. The SHY seems to be of slightly better quality but I have not seen them in person. The XIX beats the SHY in price by several thousands. The SHY lists a piston pump.

 

[Carl_NH]

I wasn't comparing the SHY15 but the SHY 20 to the XIX. The SHY 15 has a gear pump setup - 20+8 LPM so 28 total and the XIX 2 20LPM gear pumps and a 3 LPM pilot pump so total flow rate is higher.

For the $ the XIX is the best deal IMO even comparing it to the SHY 20 machine.

 

[nogaltractorguy]

I think you are correct. The SHY20 isn’t a much bigger machine. Certainly not worth the premium over the XIX. My opinion.

 

[Carl_NH]

There's another review on the XIX you may have seen with reference to the three stage Parker Pumps here Feedback