If it's cold where you live, what are you heating with and what is it costing?

[5030]

And much cheaper than #2 if you own your own LP tank.

Not appreciably less in as much as my propane supplier charges a buck a year for bottle rental. Having said that, I own all 3 of mine. All 3 of my rentals have 'leased' bottles. Propane containers are bottles, not tanks.

 

[gasman1075]

Not appreciably less in as much as my propane supplier charges a buck a year for bottle rental. Having said that, I own all 3 of mine. All 3 of my rentals have 'leased' bottles. Propane containers are bottles, not tanks.

horizontals are ASME tanks. Verticals can be ASME tanks or DOT cylinders.

 

[5030]

Yeah, I'm sure. Hard to mistake a liquid manure tank.

Maybe soil type would make a difference? Everyone here uses AN. Everyone that has the resources applies it in the Fall.

If liquified manure is knifed in correctly, there is no odor unlike AN. AN is inherently dangerous as breathing the fumes can cause immediate respiratory failure.

 

[5030]

horizontals are ASME tanks. Verticals can be ASME tanks or DOT cylinders.

All propane bottles have to be certified every 10 years per DOT regs. You can call them what you want to, here, they are bottles.

 

[5030]

This place seems like a good one to remind folks to clean the fan system if they have a forced air system for their wood stove. Checked mine yesterday, and it was a mess; filled up with dog hair.

Our Local National Forest area still issues permits for firewood. This is in western central oregon.

Willamette National Forest - Forest Products Permits

The issue with blowers on wood stoves as well as bio mass stoves (like I own) is, there in no pre filtration ahead of the blower so they all load up with hair and dust. Why every spring as part of my summer shutdown regimen, the 'room air' blowers are removed, cleaned and the motor bearings are lubed. In fact, both my units get a complete teardown and everything is cleaned including the venting. Nice thing about a biomass stove is, if running correctly, they produce 0 creosote. Just fly ash.

 

[Oaktree]

You can call them what you want to, here, they are bottles.

May be a regional term. I switched propane suppliers this year, and both companies referred to them as "tanks". I use the 100 gal ones.

 

[LouNY]

low sulfur fuel oil varies between 118,200 btu / gallon to 128,000 btu / gallon. At 92% efficiency it makes LP more competitive. Especially since it is domestically produced and readily available. And much cheaper than #2 if you own your own LP tank.

From the US Energy Information Administraion

Btu content of common energy units (preliminary estimates for 20211)

• 1 barrel (42 gallons) of crude oil produced in the United States = 5,691,000 Btu
• 1 gallon of finished motor gasoline (containing about 10% fuel ethanol by volume) = 120,238 Btu
• 1 gallon of diesel fuel or heating oil (with sulfur content less than 15 parts per million) = 137,381 Btu
• 1 gallon of heating oil (with sulfur content at 15 to 500 parts per million) = 138,500 Btu
• 1 barrel of residual fuel oil = 6,287,000 Btu
• 1 cubic foot of natural gas = 1,039 Btu
• 1 gallon of propane = 91,452 Btu
• 1 short ton (2,000 pounds) of coal (consumed by the electric power sector) = 18,934,000 Btu
• 1 kilowatthour of electricity = 3,412 Btu

Fuel Oil No. 2 Gallon $ 5.50 138,690 btu/gallon @75% eff. $5,287.57 per 100 million btu.
Kerosene Gallon $ 7.59 135,000 btu/gallon @95% eff. $5,918.13 per 100 million btu.
Propane Gallon $ 3.12 91,333 btu/gallon @95% eff. $3,595.86 per 100 million btu.
Propane Gallon $ 3.12 91,333 btu/gallon @85% eff. $4018.91 per 100 million btu.
Electric (heat pump) kiloWatt-hour (kWh) $0.18 3,412 btu/kwh @250% eff. $2,110.20 per 100 million btu
or my supplemental heat being coal;
Coal Ton(2000 lbs.) $550.00 25,000,000 btu/ton @75% eff. is $2,933.33 or just a bit more then my mini-splits
which are doing the heating at this time for me, coal will likely come on next week or so when it gets too cold for the mini-splits to maintain eff.

So yes this year propane would be less expensive then #2 oil,
So all I need to do is buy a couple of 1000 gallon propane tanks at $2500 -$4500 each,
And $2500 - $3500 for a new boiler plus installation and fill the tanks,
So for $10,000 to $15,000 I can have a new heat source that may save me $1500 a year


Edited to change above to,
The above prices are per 100 million btu

 

[5030]

So all I need to do is buy a couple of 1000 gallon propane tanks at $2500 -$4500 each,

Around here because row croppers have quit using AN, there are a lot of AN nurse tanks available for pretty cheap and all it takes to convert a nurse tank (bottle) to propane is a changeout of the dip tube and of course removal of the under carriage.

 

[MossRoad]

Very few row crop growers here use AN anymore because of the inherent dangers. They mostly use either 28 or 46 now. I don't understand knifing in AN now as the AN converts to N in about 2 weeks and then liberates itself from the soil in about 30 days. To me, that seems like a total waste. Sure they aren't knifing in liquid manure?

That's what you'd think, however, there's some advantages to fall applications in different areas of the country.

https://www.corn-states.com/app/uploads/2018/07/fall-or-spring-anhydrous-ammonia-application.pdf

 

[5030]

That's what you'd think, however, there's some advantages to fall applications in different areas of the country.

https://www.corn-states.com/app/uploads/2018/07/fall-or-spring-anhydrous-ammonia-application.pdf

Not here.