Cold start issues, which fluid needs a heater?

[buickanddeere]

You get a couple of guys to push it around, try to push it up the ramp, dive for cover as it comes back down, get the neighbor's tractor and push it up with the loader

Oh wait, that was a gear tractor with nothing on the 3PT and no loader and only weighed 3000#

I actually have no idea how one would go about getting a disabled loader tractor on a trailer, I suppose you have to drop the loader somehow.

I suppose you and folks in your area would not know what a winch was even if you tripped over it.

 

[buickanddeere]

That's how people learn, through experience...You don't learn anything if you just throw up your hands and give up.

If you can afford the cost to repair wrecked equipment and the income lost due to equipment being disabled.

 

[rasorbackq]

After reading all 9 pages of this tread I can say I have the same problem as OP. My tractor does not like to start this winter when its cold Say -15 C. As soon as the sun hits it it will start. So I figure its ice somewhere in the system.
I'm not aware if I can buy #1 ,2,or 3 Diesel . I get what comes out of the pump. same fuel in our VW and it runs all winter.
Whats the census..... can we add methyl hydrate to diesel?
should we add something?

 

[TJP89]

I suppose you and folks in your area would not know what a winch was even if you tripped over it.

We didn't have one on the truck or trailer, and didn't know anyone who did. It did occur to us, but as we didn't have one around, wasn't going to help. I have thought multiple times about getting one, and eventually probably will. In the meantime though....

 

[TJP89]

I suppose you and folks in your area would not know what a winch was even if you tripped over it.

We didn't have one on the truck or trailer, and didn't know anyone who did. It did occur to us, but as we didn't have one around, wasn't going to help. I have thought multiple times about getting one, and eventually probably will. In the meantime though....

 

[TSO]

We didn't have one on the truck or trailer, and didn't know anyone who did. It did occur to us, but as we didn't have one around, wasn't going to help. I have thought multiple times about getting one, and eventually probably will. In the meantime though....

Yeah but as helpful as a winch is, what would we do about the loader?

 

[IslandTractor]

We didn't have one on the truck or trailer, and didn't know anyone who did. It did occur to us, but as we didn't have one around, wasn't going to help. I have thought multiple times about getting one, and eventually probably will. In the meantime though....

I would imagine that in a pinch you could use a come-along to slowly move a tractor onto a trailer.

I don't have either trailer nor truck big enough to tow the tractor so I'd be stuck hiring a flat bed tow truck to come to my rescue. That gives me plenty of motivation to take care of my equipment and learn to fix it myself.

 

[buickanddeere]

Usually if the winch hook and cable is routed under the loader bucket to lift up while towing. The loader will raise high enough to clear the trailer.

 

[IslandTractor]

Usually if the winch hook and cable is routed under the loader bucket to lift up while towing. The loader will raise high enough to clear the trailer.

Or maybe tow it onto the trailer backwards. Might cause a problem with tongue weight if the trailer is short.

 

[TSO]

Or maybe tow it onto the trailer backwards. Might cause a problem with tongue weight if the trailer is short.

In this case impossible, the tractor had been backed into the barn.

 

[GManBart]

Yeah but as helpful as a winch is, what would we do about the loader?

As I said in an earlier post, if you were to crank the engine while holding the loader control for lift, it would raise (or at least some will). The pump is connected to the engine so turning over the engine turns over the pump. It wouldn't move fast but you wouldn't have to lift it much.

 

[TSO]

As I said in an earlier post, if you were to crank the engine while holding the loader control for lift, it would raise (or at least some will). The pump is connected to the engine so turning over the engine turns over the pump. It wouldn't move fast but you wouldn't have to lift it much.

Ah you did say that, forgot. Unfortunately, well fortunately actually, I can't check that now LOL

 

[Fallon]

Just put the loader in float & lift it with the come along, chain fall, winch or a highlift jack. Pop it out of float to lock it in place.

 

[herringchoker]

Just put the loader in float & lift it with the come along, chain fall, winch or a highlift jack. Pop it out of float to lock it in place.

Exactly. I've done that more than once.

 

[IslandTractor]

Just put the loader in float & lift it with the come along, chain fall, winch or a highlift jack. Pop it out of float to lock it in place.

I've have to remember that. Neat trick.

 

[Mace Canute]

Just put the loader in float & lift it with the come along, chain fall, winch or a highlift jack. Pop it out of float to lock it in place.

Exactly. I've done that more than once.

Since there is no fluid flowing into the cylinders from what would normally be the pressure side when lifting, what holds the cylinders up when the come along, chain fall, winch or highlift jack is removed?

We had to raise the blade on my JD70 this past weekend and I know jacking the blade up only created a void/vaccuum inside the cylinder which promptly collapsed once the jack was removed; we had to chain it up in place once we had it jacked up.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

In this case impossible, the tractor had been backed into the barn.

You power up your hydros off of the log splitter because all of your equipment has compatible QDs and pop the loader off the pins. Then you winch the tractor onto your trailer because you happen to have a 5 ton chain block for such occasions.

Amazon.com: 5 Ton Chain Hoist - 75" Chain: Home Improvement

In Minnesota, it is too cold to mess around. :laughing:

 

[buickanddeere]

Since there is no fluid flowing into the cylinders from what would normally be the pressure side when lifting, what holds the cylinders up when the come along, chain fall, winch or highlift jack is removed?

We had to raise the blade on my JD70 this past weekend and I know jacking the blade up only created a void/vacuum inside the cylinder which promptly collapsed once the jack was removed; we had to chain it up in place once we had it jacked up.

Single acting vs double acting.

 

[Mace Canute]

Single acting vs double acting.

Double acting.

 

[cormier]

Well guys, good news...

I tried the easiest method first and it worked. Had the heat bulb on the pump last night, then pointed the torpedo at it for a couple hrs this morning. Picked up fresh fuel, drained the tank and the filter. Refilled with with the fresh fuel, a little kerosene and a smidgen of PS. She started right up! No priming other than priming the fuel filter with the ignition.

Ran her for an hour just now clearing snow, and so I have to believe that all the old fuel is out of the system by now.

I guess we'll know next time I go to start it.

Thanks for all the help and replies. Definitely learned some new stuff about the tractor, and I appreciate you lending me your knowledge.

On a side note, this got me thinking (which is usually dangerous) ... Could I take these injectors to a shop and have them upgraded/replaced with bigger injectors, and if so, would that yield more power by itself? Or would additional programming be required?

Just my 2 cents of advice, Ive been a millwright for 15 years and i learned to start with the simple stuff a long time ago. Never dive in and pull the guts out on the table before you try the simple stuff first. Heat, filter, new fuel etc. Taking the injector pump apart or the injectors out will # 1 void warranty # 2 cost a boat load of money if you don't know what your doing.