Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime.

   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #51  
You are being taken advantage of. Fill out a resume, apply for a few other jobs, and you may be surprised just how marketable you are.

I was at my last employer for 30 years. My job description when hired was to "learn all aspect of production." and I did. I could maintain, repair and operate ALL production equipment (machinery) AND all computer systems. I could do ANY job function. I also had to manage each of the 5 production departments for a week, after training with the department managers for a month. That gave me a very good view of how each person and asset fit into the big picture and how one person or asset not working could affect the entire process. During that time, I also spent two years working with an electrician in the plant doing repairs, retrofit and installation. Eventually, I got sucked up by I.T. and was involved with the installation, operation, maintenance, and training of users on ALL computer systems. Anyhow, I ended up with 25 years in I.T., doing all aspects... networking, hardware, software, servers, workstations, training PLUS helping with repairs on the production machinery. I was the only person in the entire company that knew what everyone else was doing and how they were doing it. They sent me to schools for weeks at a time. Brought in vendors for in-house schooling. They spent huge dollars on my education.

Then, out of the blue, aobut 5-6 years ago, corporate took over all I.T. operations... we went from 10 people in I.T. to 3 people. They took everything away from us, we had to train them, and then we were slowly let go. They took away my computers and they eliminated many managers and a couple departments. So 3 years ago, sensing my eminent termination (and having it confirmed by a friend with "old family blood), about 2 days before the evil I.T. people at corp could terminate me, I moved over to the night maintenance department. I've been working 7pm to 3am for the last 3 years. Good gig. No supervisors, just workers. Only person in my department at those hours. :thumbsup:

Then, back in May of this year, pretty unexpectedly, they outsourced all production. ALL production staff was told we would be let go in 6 weeks, and we'd have to stay to the end if we wanted our severance... 65 people gone.... most of my friends.

30 years..... :confused:

What the he$$ am I going to do now? Lots of angry people in the building. Lots of tears. Some broken equipment.

Well, I was ticked for about 2 hours after they told us. Then, I thought to myself, "MOVE ALONG!"

I got on the phone, made 1 call to a colleague in another line of work, and asked if he knew if they were hiring anyone in any positions? I had a job interview secured within 2 hours of being notified, attended the interview 4 days later, got offered the job that afternoon and started the day after my last day at my old job. I now know what I'll be doing for the next 10 years. :)

Officially, I'm retired from my old job. I got a meager severance package, but, in reality, I was paid for 30 years. I have a pension that was frozen with 19 years of service that I'll draw at 62. I have a 401K that they and I contributed to for the past 28 years. And all of the sick time I never used got converted to "health credits", that will pay for my health insurance for 2.5 years. They owe me nothing and I owe them nothing.

It's sad that I put so much of my personal feelings into keeping that place running for so long and did not realize they would just kick me aside when it was a good business decision... but that's what it is, a business decision. No more. No less. They paid for two houses, 20 acres of land, two kids through 12 years of Catholic schools, and quite a bit of college for both. Numerous cars, vacations... and a tractor, too! :laughing:

So, my advice to you would be... if you still enjoy it, keep doing it. But recognize that no matter how much sense you try to talk them into, they aren't going to change, and, in fact, it will probably get worse. If its eating at you, its time to move along.

I'm sure you know many people from your working past... doctors, health care professionals, vendors, landscaping, delivery, facilities maintenance .... you know you know those folks.

Update your resume. Put out some feelers. You'll be surprised how fast someone will want to snatch you up. And you'll be happier for it. :)
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #52  
In doing a good job, you are becoming a "high maintenance" employee (as someone said), because you are outside the system, outside the policy procedure manual. Your old fellow employees are supportive, but you are the square peg in the round hole to the new admin. At some point something has to give- either they re-configure your job to make it work, or they work you out and are glad to see you go.
You are playing a game of power politics - paying the salaries, catching the perpetrator, showing up when needed on call.
Either you win it by playing it to win and embarrassing them in front of their bosses - or you lose.
It is a new generation in charge. Corporate policy has replaced personal responsibility.
Good luck.
- My advice, let it go- move on or follow HR's advice and stop going in outside your regularly scheduled hours.
If there is a crisis- it is live and learn for them.
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #53  
This thread will bring back memories for many people. Me included. Small town small company started by local man. Got bigger got bought out by bigger corp. Continued to grow buying out others in same business. Shut down other factories and moved production to original small town. Needed more room so the original owner spent 5 million on new building. Corp leased building. Two years later had grown so big that company moved 45 minutes away and bought a former picture tube factory. Still small town with big factory and no business or employees. You have developed skills and need to put yourself back on the market. It all comes down to numbers.
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #54  
Good luck. You are playing a game you cant win. You have skills, market them outside. Your ride here is probably ending.
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime.
  • Thread Starter
#55  
You are being taken advantage of. Fill out a resume, apply for a few other jobs, and you may be surprised just how marketable you are.

I was at my last employer for 30 years. My job description when hired was to "learn all aspect of production." and I did. I could maintain, repair and operate ALL production equipment (machinery) AND all computer systems. I could do ANY job function. I also had to manage each of the 5 production departments for a week, after training with the department managers for a month. That gave me a very good view of how each person and asset fit into the big picture and how one person or asset not working could affect the entire process. During that time, I also spent two years working with an electrician in the plant doing repairs, retrofit and installation. Eventually, I got sucked up by I.T. and was involved with the installation, operation, maintenance, and training of users on ALL computer systems. Anyhow, I ended up with 25 years in I.T., doing all aspects... networking, hardware, software, servers, workstations, training PLUS helping with repairs on the production machinery. I was the only person in the entire company that knew what everyone else was doing and how they were doing it. They sent me to schools for weeks at a time. Brought in vendors for in-house schooling. They spent huge dollars on my education.

Then, out of the blue, aobut 5-6 years ago, corporate took over all I.T. operations... we went from 10 people in I.T. to 3 people. They took everything away from us, we had to train them, and then we were slowly let go. They took away my computers and they eliminated many managers and a couple departments. So 3 years ago, sensing my eminent termination (and having it confirmed by a friend with "old family blood), about 2 days before the evil I.T. people at corp could terminate me, I moved over to the night maintenance department. I've been working 7pm to 3am for the last 3 years. Good gig. No supervisors, just workers. Only person in my department at those hours. :thumbsup:

Then, back in May of this year, pretty unexpectedly, they outsourced all production. ALL production staff was told we would be let go in 6 weeks, and we'd have to stay to the end if we wanted our severance... 65 people gone.... most of my friends.

30 years..... :confused:

What the he$$ am I going to do now? Lots of angry people in the building. Lots of tears. Some broken equipment.

Well, I was ticked for about 2 hours after they told us. Then, I thought to myself, "MOVE ALONG!"

I got on the phone, made 1 call to a colleague in another line of work, and asked if he knew if they were hiring anyone in any positions? I had a job interview secured within 2 hours of being notified, attended the interview 4 days later, got offered the job that afternoon and started the day after my last day at my old job. I now know what I'll be doing for the next 10 years. :)

Officially, I'm retired from my old job. I got a meager severance package, but, in reality, I was paid for 30 years. I have a pension that was frozen with 19 years of service that I'll draw at 62. I have a 401K that they and I contributed to for the past 28 years. And all of the sick time I never used got converted to "health credits", that will pay for my health insurance for 2.5 years. They owe me nothing and I owe them nothing.

It's sad that I put so much of my personal feelings into keeping that place running for so long and did not realize they would just kick me aside when it was a good business decision... but that's what it is, a business decision. No more. No less. They paid for two houses, 20 acres of land, two kids through 12 years of Catholic schools, and quite a bit of college for both. Numerous cars, vacations... and a tractor, too! :laughing:

So, my advice to you would be... if you still enjoy it, keep doing it. But recognize that no matter how much sense you try to talk them into, they aren't going to change, and, in fact, it will probably get worse. If its eating at you, its time to move along.

I'm sure you know many people from your working past... doctors, health care professionals, vendors, landscaping, delivery, facilities maintenance .... you know you know those folks.

Update your resume. Put out some feelers. You'll be surprised how fast someone will want to snatch you up. And you'll be happier for it. :)

Did not know you switched companies... your a very smart guy with a great temperament... I would wager to say similar to my friend with 30 Telco years in... her took the buy out at 52 and then did contract consulting for 2 after... nice package offered for the buy out...

Nice that you got credit for the unused sick time... I did the math and the dollar value of my sick leave equals almost 7 years of 403B match..

Had dinner at my brothers... he said he is looking for a ranch foreman... I always help when I can and especially during Christmas Tree season but ranch work can be very physical... he is a key VP at the firm he works for... and decided time was more lucratively spent getting a W2 right now...

Could be wrong but one day I will probably have to cut back to help Mom... so this is always in the back of my mind.
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime.
  • Thread Starter
#56  
In doing a good job, you are becoming a "high maintenance" employee (as someone said), because you are outside the system, outside the policy procedure manual. Your old fellow employees are supportive, but you are the square peg in the round hole to the new admin. At some point something has to give- either they re-configure your job to make it work, or they work you out and are glad to see you go.
You are playing a game of power politics - paying the salaries, catching the perpetrator, showing up when needed on call.
Either you win it by playing it to win and embarrassing them in front of their bosses - or you lose.
It is a new generation in charge. Corporate policy has replaced personal responsibility.
Good luck.
- My advice, let it go- move on or follow HR's advice and stop going in outside your regularly scheduled hours.
If there is a crisis- it is live and learn for them.

You're right... just would be nice for outside HR to be in sync with in house management... part of my problem is I do read everything... my boss said I do not get a 2 hour minimum for coming in when called... I showed the HR manual and it is in black and white hourly employees receive a minimum of 2 hour pay if called back...

For about 15 years the housekeepers were direct report to me... so we have a long established relationship and they get paid very little for part time work... so when they came to me saying they had not been paid in 7 weeks it was not something "I" could ignore... even though I have absolutely nothing to do with House Keeping post merger.

I promised to look into it and they said today was their collective last day... I then said me a week and if the back pay doesn't show up by next Monday I would make it good... not expecting it would be necessary... they agreed to keep working and when the money didn't show up I kept my word... but made it clear it was a one time thing... the alternative would have been ugly on so many fronts but I could shrugged my shoulders and been safe.

Personally it is hard when every week I get calls from supplier and vendors asking for payments... it is not that the company doesn't have the money... and these are all entities where I was their contact with some for 20+ years...

Never looked at it in terms of a power play... only trying to keep our good standing in the community and industry...
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #57  
Post Script... HR says I am under no obligation to respond outside my shift and only those receiving On-Call pay are required to be available... and my position does not qualify... however I am the only local contact for Police, Fire, Security, etc...

That was my first thought unless something was written into your job description.

I hate to say this, but thank you. It's been 20 plus years since I was hourly, and I don't miss it one bit. Worked on union shop after college at will never look at a union again.
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #58  
At On-Boarding... HR said OT is built into the budget for my position but also said there is no On-Call provision so no obligation to respond... I can live with that.

What I was not expecting is OT now being a problem and the emphasis on Perfect Time Cards is number one priority... nothing takes the wind out of your sales hearing two weeks later you did a great job but we can't have a repeat...

Wow Ultra, hope you can get this resolved so the adjustment, whichever way you decide to play it, goes smoothly for you.

I’ve been through a couple company/firm buyouts/ mergers and there were always some things I liked and some I didn’t. I had to adjust. If I didn’t it was just going to be more difficult for me. Nothing lasts forever. That’s what I always kept in mind.

The plast place had a very disingenuous way of going about things. They said I was to take “ownership” but never allowed me to simply be responsible for the final result. In cases where the outcome was great they could still always find something that wasn’t by their protocol to cut you’re bonus, or critize, etc.

I played by their rules eventually and finally moved on to a much better arrangement.
 
   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime.
  • Thread Starter
#59  
Take "Ownership" is a concept repeatedly ingrained before the sale... the CEO said publicly several times back in the day that she never wanted to hear "Not my Job" referencing Doctors and Patients that may need assistance... to picking up trash in the parking lot because it was "Our" Hospital.

The disparity for me post sale is the conflict between how we function as my boss sees it and how corp sees it... with after hour Call Back being an example.

On site management is happy with what I do but following HR rules I must be paid a 2 hour minimum for Call Back plus OT (If applicable) but when it shows up on my time card it is flagged from Corp putting pressure on my Boss... if that makes sense?

The complication is that my Boss is not initiating the Call Back but it is either the Alarm Company, Police/Fire or Internal Alarm... such as the Tissue Bank Cryogenic Freezer Alarm... you don't want to lose tens of thousands of dollars of Human Tissue because some forgot to secure a freezer!

My Admin is not a person to go around Corporate and Corporate has set me up as Hourly so OT and Call Back must be paid when due which creates a problem from Corporate for her as to why am I getting Called Back?

I'm going to suggest I reduce my shift by 30 minutes each day making it 7.5 work plus the mandatory Meal Break of 30 minutes... this way when I get Called Back there will be 5 hours each pay period to play with and at the end of the pay period "Back Fill" with Vacation hours any shortfall to make 80 hours...

Seems logical unless I'm overlooking something?
 
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   / Work Question Regarding Call Back and Overtime. #60  
I'm going to suggest I reduce my shift by 30 minutes each day making it 7.5 work plus the mandatory Meal Break of 30 minutes... this way when I get Called Back there will be 5 hours each pay period to play with and at the end of the pay period "Back Fill" with Vacation hours any shortfall to make 80 hours...

Seems logical unless I'm overlooking something?

It sounds like you have another option as to how to balance your hours that keeps you below the overtime threshold, and you get to leave work early one day! ...

Anyway... going forward... anytime I work outside my 5 am to 1:30 pm daily shift will have to be taken away from my next scheduled shift... so if I have 5 hours of Sunday Call In... my regular 8 hour Monday shift will be reduced by 5 hours to 3 hours... making it 5 am to 8 am...

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