Water heater recs please

[arto98607]

Is that the total delivered cost per kwh or just the so called electrical cost portion of the bill.
My $0.18 to $0.20 per kwh is the actual delivered cost while the so called electrical amount is listed as $0.06 or $0.08 per kwh.

That is the delivered final cost plus $19 per month fixed fee.
Neither are taxed by the state or locals.

 

[ultrarunner]

If I had to pay California PGE rates in WA my only choice would be to pull the meter…

California 360 kWh per MONTH at about $180 include city taxes and fees…

 

[5030]

My only comment is, whatever you get, be sure to drain it regularly. We have an electric in the basement but no issue with power as we have a diesel standby genset. It gets sediment drained monthly and has been going strong for 5 years on high calcium well water and our utility gives us a break on the electricity usage as well. No tankless crap here, never will be.

 

[LouNY]

That is the delivered final cost plus $19 per month fixed fee.
Neither are taxed by the state or locals.

If I had to pay California PGE rates in WA my only choice would be to pull the meter…

California 360 kWh per MONTH at about $180 include city taxes and fees…

This is the convoluted bill that I get to see; which is $0.1842 per kwh

 

[ultrarunner]

Interesting how forever it was the massive costs of generating power took a backseat as more customers began generating their own grid tied power making the most expensive part now being delivery...

 

[LouNY]

Interesting how forever it was the massive costs of generating power took a backseat as more customers began generating their own grid tied power making the most expensive part now being delivery...

I don't know if it was the grid tied systems, it seems to me that it make quite the shift in "costs" when the PUC and other regulators decided that the utility companies had to split and divest of some power plants and that consumers could buy from other "suppliers".

 

[ultrarunner]

I don't know if it was the grid tied systems, it seems to me that it make quite the shift in "costs" when the PUC and other regulators decided that the utility companies had to split and divest of some power plants and that consumers could buy from other "suppliers".

PGE justified rates for decades touting the high cost of building power generation… hydro, nuclear, geothermal and operating restraints on natural gas and coal fired plants.

Distribution was seldom even a footnote and many utility poles date from the 1920’s in my neighborhoods.

Some in positions of influence heard PGE and said we can help by diversifying production and opening up the sources to a single home owner scaling up to Green providers with large scale production.

 

[grsthegreat]

Well, one of my 18 yo water heaters bit the dust a few weeks ago. I decided to replace both plus recirculating pump. NO ONE IN TOWN, including wholesale houses, carry any direct vent waterheaters that work on propane. They all had nat gas units. Most were wanting over $2000 per u it with 2 week delivery times. Home depot was able to get me 2 units in 7 days for about $1300 each. But still, what happens to people that only have 1 water heater? Who’s going to wait 2 weeks for hot water. And rural folk dont have access to nat gas.


Any rate, i also had to replace expansion tank as the bladder had ruptured on mine. The recirculating pump was also 18 years so i replaced that at same time.

I removed and resused the coro protect electronic anodes i purchased in january of this year, and i pulled the junk drain valves on the new units and installed the full flow drains i purchased.

All is well again.

 

[ultrarunner]

At the cabin with propane I bought a spare and kept it 19 years in the box and was a quick swap when the original let go.

Part of it is the comfort knowing I have options...

 

[ning]

I'm a big fan of supplyhouse.com
Have bought numerous things there, tankless propane water heater, lots of plumbing supplies, pressure tanks.

 

[ponytug]

FWIW: For most models, you can get a natural gas hot water heater readily and then add the propane orifice after the fact, e.g.

https://www.supplyhouse.com/AO-Smith-100112835-Kit-Orifice-Propanelp

Some of the newer flammable vapor resistant models can be a bit of an involved process to get into the burner/orifice.

All the best,

Peter

 

[jyoutz]

Just go to a local HVAC supply warehouse where plumbers and contractors buy. Most will still sell retail and they have about anything in stock. Don’t go to Home Depot.

 

[ponytug]

I didn't even know about fiberglass tanks. I'm gonna check into them. I hope I can find one that is propane fired. If I can only find electric then I would need to run wire over 60 feet to power it. That will be expensive. But I really like the idea of a tank that won't corrode.
Eric

What did you decide in the end?

All the best,

Peter

 

[etpm]

What did you decide in the end?

All the best,

Peter

I am looking at tankless water heaters now. I can pretty easily run a larger pipe for the propane if need be. I will update this search soon. This month or next month I will be making the purchase. I just had to spend $2500.00 that I didn't plan for so it will probably be next month that I buy the heater. Anyway, thanks for asking, I should have posted something already.
Eric

 

[ultrarunner]

For 20 or so years gas water heaters here have a C/O detector and everyone eventually goes bad.

Some are stand alone and others integral with the thermopile.

Are sealed combustion gas water heaters with CO shutdown nationwide?

 

[Gem99ultra]

Add me down for another tankless water heater. We've had ours for 13 years. Never a failure, never a shortage of hot water. It uses a fraction of the amount of propane our old tank type heater used. Hot water on demand and endless supply.

The only change I'd make is to add an additonal small one for under the kitchen sink, which is the farthest from the central unit. Spouse wants instant hot water when she turns that faucet on! She's not tollerent of waiting for the hot water to make the journey across the house.