SSQ Bucket falls off

[ovrszd]

Actually the cause is just starting to be discussed. Vertical slack.

 

[Atchuuu]

i think this horse has been beat to death :mur:

You are the one in control of the threads you view or read.

 

[Xfaxman]

This is the vertical slack or gap at the bottom that the guys are talking about:

 

[searcyfarms]

You are the one in control of the threads you view or read.

i just find it funny - put some duct tape and bailing wire on it and lets get busy!!!

 

[downsizingnow48]

There are actually two questions in play,

First, how to keep the bucket on. My vote is for what another member said, put a bolt through the bucket and ssqa plate. Done.

Second, what changed to cause the problem. That requires a diagnostic sequence that we are really just getting started on.

 

[Redlands Okie]

Perhaps compare some careful measurements between your bucket brackets and another bucket. Same for the pins. Maybe you have something a bit off from the factory or damage form use.

So you tried the washer idea and enough of them to keep the pin springs under more compression to keep the pins seated ?

 

[ovrszd]

There are actually two questions in play,

First, how to keep the bucket on. My vote is for what another member said, put a bolt through the bucket and ssqa plate. Done.

Second, what changed to cause the problem. That requires a diagnostic sequence that we are really just getting started on.

I agree Pat.

X clearly pointed out the problem with his last pics.

 

[Gary Fowler]

Thanks. I meant the slant serves no purpose of acting like a wedge. Only, maybe to pierce an obstruction in the opening. Some Ag attachment systems do use wedges for a secure attachment.

The slant allows the pin to slide down into the slot and increase hold due to the spring tension. Without the wedge shape, everything would have to be spot on to allow the pin to fall into the slot. Then it may as well be a bolt on connection since everything would have to be perfectly aligned. Without the wedge shape, any wear to the bolt or slot would cause the connection to loosen up.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Looks like you have a couple issues going on that need to be addressed. In this pic the first thing you need to do is lift the bucket up and roll it back to were the buck weight is hanging on the upper lip and not the pins, then see if the pads BOTH seat against the back of the bucket or one or both have a gap. Like you have circled in this pic.

Then once both pads are seating flat, then you can focus on the lower flange gap we’re the pin notch is. You more than likely will need some new material added to fill the gap. After that is fitting tightly you can work on the locking pin engagement.

 

[D2Cat]

The gap shown between the back of the bucket and the ssqa plate is a problem that needs to be diagnosed and understood.

If this side has a gap, and the other side is tight, that suggests xfaxman is correct and the connecting tube is twisted.

If both sides show the same gap, that suggests the upper angled part of the ssqa is not fitting correctly into the angled part of the bucket. One or the other could be bent.

Or, you need to juggle the bucket on the ssqa before inserting the pins to make sure the back of the bucket and the ssqa plate are tight on both sides.

Maybe borrow a bucket or other ssqa attachment from a neighbor and see if the problem stays the same or goes away.

After as many accidental disconnects as described there is virtually not way the connecting timing rod can not be out of line, making one connecting plates not meet up to the connecting pin hole. It's been mentioned many times. Those plates have to be against each other with no space between them for the pin to fully seat.

You can weld all the plate you can imagine, but without proper alignment the problem will continue, because the pin is only partially engaged in the hole it belong in.

 

[Professor Marvel]

i think this horse has been beat to death :mur:

Seems to me like the discussion could be over when the OP says it is fixed

 

[Industrial Toys]

Just engage the services of yet another puter to monitor the $%$% thing! Alert everyone you ever met by E-MAIL, TWITTER, INSTAGRAM, FECES BOOK, SNAP CHAT, DONE!

 

[Atchuuu]

i just find it funny - put some duct tape and bailing wire on it and lets get busy!!!

Yes, I understand. When you post something it is serious business. When someone else does you take the time to read the post and then complain about the time you wasted.

There are actually two questions in play,

First, how to keep the bucket on. My vote is for what another member said, put a bolt through the bucket and ssqa plate. Done.

Second, what changed to cause the problem. That requires a diagnostic sequence that we are really just getting started on.

I don't want to put a bolt through it as it defeats the quick attach function. I would really like to find out the cause of the issue.

Perhaps compare some careful measurements between your bucket brackets and another bucket. Same for the pins. Maybe you have something a bit off from the factory or damage form use.

So you tried the washer idea and enough of them to keep the pin springs under more compression to keep the pins seated ?

Didn't use the washers. In one of the photos above you can see the springs are nearly fully compressed.

After as many accidental disconnects as described there is virtually not way the connecting timing rod can not be out of line, making one connecting plates not meet up to the connecting pin hole. It's been mentioned many times. Those plates have to be against each other with no space between them for the pin to fully seat.

You can weld all the plate you can imagine, but without proper alignment the problem will continue, because the pin is only partially engaged in the hole it belong in.

Here is the thing. The SSQA plates and the back of the bucket will touch and square up. I don't know for sure that the tube or another part is not bent but I do know that the plates lay flat on the bucket initially. The photo above is what it looked like as the bucket was slipping off.

The bucket initially did not have this problem. I don't know if I damaged it somehow, used too much grease or if it was just generally stuck in place as it wasn't removed much. Regardless, this will be the last post on this topic. Thanks to all who commented with great replies.

 

[ovrszd]

It's vertical slack. Add an 1/8" plate to the bucket on top of the latch bracket. If it still has slack, add another. This problem has been resolved many times here on TBN.

Xfaxman might do a better job of illustrating what you need to do? Or maybe he's already illustrated it in this thread but it didn't catch on....

 

[ruffdog]

Didn't use the washers. In one of the photos above you can see the springs are nearly fully compressed.

Of course the springs are compressed and it's because the pins are not seated. The pins can't seat because you have a gap between the ssqa and the bucket.

First, get the bucket and ssqa tight together...both sides...engaged the pins fully, then figure out how many washers to get in there.

Like others have said...straighten your ssqa so you are not battling this every time you attach the bucket.

 

[jmc]

I posted a similar problem (same model- L4330) here:

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/379324-ssqa-spring-life.html?highlight=Springs

My theory was that after 14 years of constant compression, the springs took a set so they were not effectively compressed enough to keep the lock pin seated. At bottom dead center, my springs only compress a 1/16" or so. I bought new springs from Messick's (great service) but haven't changed them yet. I'll post a side by side pic of the new vs old eventually.

If OP's springs have taken a set, they could appear to be mostly compressed but still not have the stiffness. Washers might help him some but as he points out, there's not much available compression gap left.

 

[jmc]

Of course the springs are compressed and it's because the pins are not seated. The pins can't seat because you have a gap between the ssqa and the bucket.

Good point, Ruffdog. Maybe he'll post a pic of when it's not partially unseated.

 

[3Lfarms]

That is what I came to say....it’s entirety possible the springs are getting soft.

 

[kevinj]

You have something wrong, the pins should be thru the bottom plate & keeping the bucket tight.

Your springs also look all rusty & pitted so they may be weak.

I also do not see the stop blocks, don't know if yours had them or if the are missing.

 

[hawkeye08]

Yep, springs near fully compressed when bucket ready to fall and gap between SSQA and bucket. Once the bucket is fully seated on the SSQA, make sure both sides are the same, then figure out how many washers to add to keep springs compressed when SSQA is fully engaged in bucket. Good pictures, keep at it, you'll get it fixed.