Natural gas?

[dnw64]

All I know is my wife will be very happy with a gas stove after being on electric over the last 20 years

My favorite to date is what we have in our current house - separate electric convection oven and 5-burner gas (LP) cooktop.

Our house in NJ came with an all-electric unit - convection/air-frier/conventional oven with induction cooktop. It's almost brand new and super fancy, so I decided that rather than replace it, we'll just try it for a while and see how we like it. A lot of people say that induction is about the best you can have. Even though we're re-doing the kitchen, because it's a slide-in, it will be easy enough to replace if we decide we don't like it and want to get a dual fuel unit.

 

[ultrarunner]

My favorite to date is what we have in our current house - separate electric convection oven and 5-burner gas (LP) cooktop.

Our house in NJ came with an all-electric unit - convection/air-frier/conventional oven with induction cooktop. It's almost brand new and super fancy, so I decided that rather than replace it, we'll just try it for a while and see how we like it. A lot of people say that induction is about the best you can have. Even though we're re-doing the kitchen, because it's a slide-in, it will be easy enough to replace if we decide we don't like it and want to get a dual fuel unit.

The older gas ranges often had a button to depress on the oven gas valve to start gas to the pilot if pilot is out.


The cooktop burners were easy to match light and the old oven at the cabin we did only match light because 5 pilots on the cooktop did use measurable gas…

Grandma, mom, us boys had no problems match lighting the burners or center griddle.

This changed with a sister in law who refused to stay at the cabin saying match lighting was unsafe… saying afraid of explosion.

She wanted to replace the gas range with self cleaning electric which would require a new electric service and with the frequent electric outages would mean problematic cooking… I vetoed the idea and they now pay for air b and b… which has been hit or miss…

 

[Sigarms]

My favorite to date is what we have in our current house - separate electric convection oven and 5-burner gas (LP) cooktop.

Ironically enough, I believe that is the same type of stove my wife has already picked out.

 

[Sigarms]

This changed with a sister in law who refused to stay at the cabin saying match lighting was unsafe… saying afraid of explosion.

I'm guessing same SIL drives a electric car now?

Funny, I remember living with my grandmother and mom when dad was overseas, and I forgot all about having matches to light the gas stove. Her basement had a coal room where the coal truck would drop the coal directly through a basement window by chute for the coal boiler next door in another room.

 

[Hay Dude]

Range hood along with dryer, fart fans and anything else will be vented outdoor.

The only reason why I've stayed away from a generator at first is due to the fuel consumption being on LP.

Honestly, if we were using the same co op for electric at our new place, I wouldn't consider a generator as over the 20 years, they've been very good. Thing is, even though we're outside of town limits at the new place, we're being serviced by a big conglomerate energy company, and that scares me a little bit with some of the outages they've had in the past.

I just sold my last home of 18 years. It was 7,200 SF with 2x6 walls and excellent insulation quality. NG powered everything that we could hook up to it. (2) Heaters, (2) hot water heaters, 1 of the (2) fireplaces (left one for wood for natural wood burning) (2)clothes dryer, cooking ranges, 22Kw backup generator, even a few decorative outdoor lamps. All lighting was LED.
Our typical monthly utility bill was about the same as my previous home, which was half the size (~3500SF) and all were powered by electric.

So we doubled the size of our home, doubled # of heaters and HW heaters, added a NG fireplace, and our kids were older so they used more hot water & electric, yet our monthly utility bill averaged about the same as a previous home that was 1/2 the size.

 

[Sigarms]

I just sold my last home of 18 years. It was 7,200 SF with 2x6 walls and excellent insulation quality. NG powered everything that we could hook up to it. (2) Heaters, (2) hot water heaters, 1 of the (2) fireplaces (left one for wood for natural wood burning) (2)clothes dryer, cooking ranges, 22Kw backup generator, even a few decorative outdoor lamps. All lighting was LED.
Our typical monthly utility bill was about the same as my previous home, which was half the size (~3500SF) and all were powered by electric.

So we doubled the size of our home, doubled # of heaters and HW heaters, added a NG fireplace, and our kids were older so they used more hot water & electric, yet our monthly utility bill averaged about the same as a previous home that was 1/2 the size.

You've given me an idea. Be curious to run the heat pump for heating say down to 20F and then turn the heat pump off and heat with the gas furnace and compare the
electric / gas bill for this next winter...

 

[arto98607]

The oven is thermostat regulated and goes out when it hits temp. Generally there is no way to use it without electricity. Standing pilot ovens still work.

Here is one that would help in case of power outage!




Cheers

 

[jyoutz]

Here is one that would help in case of power outage!

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Cheers

During a power outage I just cook on the gas burners. It’s not essential to use the oven.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm guessing same SIL drives a electric car now?

Funny, I remember living with my grandmother and mom when dad was overseas, and I forgot all about having matches to light the gas stove. Her basement had a coal room where the coal truck would drop the coal directly through a basement window by chute for the coal boiler next door in another room.

Yes… it’s a hybrid…

Tesla was top of the list but dropped to never…

 

[Hay Dude]

During a power outage I just cook on the gas burners. It’s not essential to use the oven.

Good ‘ol gas. Always reliable and there when you need it.
Not fickle like solar which only works 1/2 of the day and only if it’s mostly sunny for max efficiency.

I guess solar could be used for a few types of cooking ;P

 

[Sigarms]

Yes… it’s a hybrid…

Tesla was top of the list but dropped to never…

I've got to ask why the Telsa dropped to "never"?

No one has given your brother crap for marrying her?

No different than my Sister in Law who is anti bang bang who has a son who is a police office who used to come to my place to shoot from time to time

In my defense, I don't have to live with my sister in law, and both her mother and my wife can agree with me, but I just keep my mouth shut (one big oops on my end about 5 years ago at a thanksgiving dinner though, but both wife and mom knew it was coming LOL).

 

[Hay Dude]

You've given me an idea. Be curious to run the heat pump for heating say down to 20F and then turn the heat pump off and heat with the gas furnace and compare the
electric / gas bill for this next winter...

I wouldn’t think a heat pump would pump much heat if it was run down to 20F.

 

[ultrarunner]

I've got to ask why the Telsa dropped to "never"?

No one has given your brother crap for marrying her?

No different than my Sister in Law who is anti bang bang who has a son who is a police office who used to come to my place to shoot from time to time

In my defense, I don't have to live with my sister in law, and both her mother and my wife can agree with me, but I just keep my mouth shut (one big oops on my end about 5 years ago at a thanksgiving dinner though, but both wife and mom knew it was coming LOL).

Became never because of Elon’s association with Tesla…

Elon went from eccentric wonder-kind to persona non grata in record time… and has not been shy about his thoughts about California…

 

[Sigarms]

I wouldn’t think a heat pump would pump much heat if it was run down to 20F.

Depending on the brand and type of system (ductless vs ducted) you could get 100% heating capacity easily down to 20F outside air temp. System I'm installing in the new remodeled house won't lose any capacity until 20F OAT, and that's because it's a smaller coil than I should use with the outdoor unit I'm using due to price point.

There are ducted lines out there that can easily give you 100% heating down to 5F outside air temp and ductless lines that can give you over 100% heating at -15F outside air temps.

Heat pumps made in the 1990's are not the same heat pumps made today.

 

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My favorite to date is what we have in our current house - separate electric convection oven and 5-burner gas (LP) cooktop.

We've got an ancient propane stove (O'Keefe & Merritt) - 4 burners and a griddle, a broiler and an oven; plus the convection oven with micro-convect oven over it.
We occasionally use the propane stove's oven to keep things warm when making large meals (holidays) but otherwise that oven is only used if the power goes out.
The kids got a big kick out of making cookies by oil lamp light, made them extra good!

 

[dnw64]

(2) hot water heaters,

How many cold water heaters?

Oh, I know, if you don't use the hot water it gets re-heated to maintain temp. Just a pet peeve of mine...

 

[dnw64]

I wouldn’t think a heat pump would pump much heat if it was run down to 20F.

There are "cold climate heat pumps" that put out the rated heat amount down to -20°F. We installed a total of 4 units and I can anecdotally confirm that.

Mitsubishi claims 100% down to -115°F, but only "guarantees" heat down to -22°F.

 

[jyoutz]

How many cold water heaters?

Oh, I know, if you don't use the hot water it gets re-heated to maintain temp. Just a pet peeve of mine...

Not with a tankless water heater.

 

[Hay Dude]

How many cold water heaters?

Oh, I know, if you don't use the hot water it gets re-heated to maintain temp. Just a pet peeve of mine...

Tankless

 

[dnw64]

Not with a tankless water heater.

Tankless

So, definitely a cold water heater.