Buying Advice Looking to buy my first tractor

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Hello all, I’ve been searching the forums quite a bit, but figured I’d post to both introduce myself and ask some questions.

I’m in WNY and have a little over an acre of land. Where I’m at, I don’t get a ton of snow, but it gets cold and I get snow. I have a long driveway, I don’t remember the exact length, but it was over 300’ equivalent when I measured a few years back. It wraps around the house and I have a large courtyard between the house and garage. I have a fenced in garden area with raised beds and a green house and then I have chickens and a coop. Probably 2/3 - 3/4 acre is fenced in for my dogs. On my land, we had well over 100 trees, but 85 or so were ash and we did not realize this until a few years back when they started dying. I have had about 5 treated and 3 may survive, but the rest all died. I’ve been taking them down myself and have around 20 more to go. I have been bucking, splitting, and selling firewood.

The first job I would use the tractor for would be to help take down the rest of the trees. I’ll fell them, but I plan to get a grapple to help move logs and lift logs so I don’t have to bend down as much. Once this is done, I’ll be looking at a PTO stump grinder as I’ll have about 85 stumps to remove. They range in size from about 6“ to 30” but most are in the 12-22” range. I’ve gotten some preliminary quotes and at $50-75 per stump that adds up quickly! Once the stumps are removed I plan to put in a larger in ground garden area. We will also add a second chicken coop, and I want to build some sidewalks to the coops, redo my back patio, build a fire pit area, and a pergola in the back yard. I also plan to put in a pad for a hot tub. Additionally, I need to do quite a bit of landscaping. In the future, we plan to add a koi pond, but I will rent a mini excavator to dig the hole and then use my tractor and grapple for placing rocks and landscaping around etc.

Things I see myself using the tractor for:
landscaping
prepping for cement or pathways
prepping for new chicken coop
tree removal
hauling around my property
gardening/tilling
watering new trees and shrubs
snow removal
general lifting things into and out of my truck
fencing
moving mulch/dirt/stone etc

Attachments I want to be able to run:
loader w/ 3rd function
grapple
forks
stump bucket?
tiller
rake or dethather
Pull trailers

I’m looking more for smaller tractors that are still capable as I want to be able to get my tractor into my garage (6.5’ tall doors), and fit around lots of obstacles I have. I don’t plan to mow with it, but would like a mid PTO so I could in the future if things change.

I went to the local JD dealer and looked at the 1025R. I liked the tractor, but the price was higher than the rest and after stopping several times, I still don’t have a quote for exactly what I want and it’s difficult to get the time of day there unless you’re spending $100k so they are out.

Local MF dealer had a GC1725 and it was also nice, but never gave me a quote with 3rd function installed and last time I talked to them they said I should look at the 1526, that they just got in, but never followed up with pricing so again, I’m not a big farmer so I’m not getting attention.

Yanmar dealer is a bit farther away (almost an hour) and was overall a good experience. I really liked the SA325. However, the salesperson was not super knowledgeable about the tractor and told me it had to regen which I don’t think is correct and when I asked how much ballast Yanmar spec’s he said they didn’t have a specific weight which again doesn’t seem right to me. I don’t like the proprietary Yanmar QA, but otherwise like the tractor and the warranty. Dealer seems nice, but they seem like they don’t sell a lot of tractors and had more of the articulating tractors and zero turns on their lot. They also had a lot of fireplaces and wood burning stoves on display. This tractor and dealer are an option and for a bit were my top choice.

Kioti dealer started off good. I called and spoke with a salesperson I liked who asked questions and seemed knowledgeable. They quoted me a price for a CS2520 and I liked the price. I was able to swing by yesterday, but the person I talked to was not in and they didn’t have anyone for sales at the time so I walked around the lot and looked at the Kioti and New Holland tractors. I liked the CS2520, and decided to walk back inside before leaving and another sales person was there, but they were a typical shady used car salesman and badmouthed other brands, badmouthed the person I was talking too that I liked, told me the CS2510 loader lifted as much as the CS2520… He told me he would beat the other salesman’s quote, but wouldn’t write it down.. all the tell tale shady tactics I don’t respect. So despite liking the tractor this dealer is out.

Stopped at a Kubota dealer and even though I had initially ruled out Kubota due to low lift capacity on the BX and plan to get a grapple, I figured I’d go to “rule Kubota out” and the dealer was great. Small mom and pop place that has been in business for 50 years. The grandson of the guy who started it was working sales and had been working parts for the past 5 years he said. The lot was an absolute mud pit and they were short staffed due to illness, so the guy helping me had to pause to help others a few times, but he came back and was responsive. He recommended a B2601 or L series. I had initially said I thought the L was too big, but wonder if I should look at the LX compared to the B? Anyway, price is a bit higher than I had figured I wanted to spend, and the treadle pedal I’m on the fence about, but this dealer has been the best so far by a lot. We actually just chatted about life, my line of work, etc for a while after they quoted me.

So I keep seeing folks saying to choose your tractor by the dealer and if this is true then I probably am going to get a Kubota. I guess I just wanted to make sure I’m not forgetting any brands to look at and what else I should be doing? Is it common practice to call other dealers for quotes like when buying a new vehicle? What do I want to make sure I get on the tractor? I know for sure I want a loader, 3rd function, and grapple right away. I meant to ask to price out for rear remotes too and I forgot.

Thanks for reading this far.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #2  
TBN folks love to spend your money, and I'm no exception.
I am biased toward Kubota, having owned an L3410, L4060 (current) and 3 ZD mowers. I know full well that I paid more for Kubota, but they all have provided exceptional service.

With that out of the way, the LX series is definitely a step up from the BX tractors in capability. I would look at the LX2610 for your specified tasks.

Other tractor brands that are popular here are LS, Mahindra, Yanmar, Branson, and TYM to name a few. I have no direct experience with these machines, but my neighbor has an old Mahindra that just keeps going. It's a BX sized machine that gets everything done he needs, perhaps a little slower than a larger machine could do.
Happy shopping!
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #3  
I’m in WNY and have a little over an acre (1?) of land. Where I’m at, I don’t get a ton of snow, but it gets cold and I get snow. I have a long driveway, I don’t remember the exact length, but it was over 300’ equivalent when I measured a few years back. It wraps around the house and I have a large courtyard between the house and garage. I have a fenced in garden area with raised beds and a green house and then I have chickens and a coop. Probably 2/3 - 3/4 acre is fenced in for my dogs. On my land, we had well over 100 trees, but 85 or so were ash and we did not realize this until a few years back when they started dying. I have had about 5 treated and 3 may survive, but the rest all died. I’ve been taking them down myself and have around 20 more to go. I have been bucking, splitting, and selling firewood.

This does not compute for me. One (1) acre if land, total?



 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #4  
there are other brands to look at but go with the dealer you like best, IMO go with a little larger tractor than what you think provided that it will fit in you storage location. Kubota makes a very good tractor and you will not go wrong with them. IMO evaluate the other brands that are out there, sit on all of them, operate all of them, talk to the service manager at each dealer. After doing your research zero in on the ones you feel the best about and start researching best price and then go back to the dealer that you like best, discuss the price and where he is at relative to the others and see how close he can come. I fully believe that the price is not the most important factor but then again no sense throwing money away.

IMO a stump grinder is the thing that i would rent and not use on my tractor or keep hanging around not being used.
also for digging a small shallow pond i would try using the FEL (depending on soil type) you may be able to dig all you want with the FEL but YMMV.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor
  • Thread Starter
#5  
TBN folks love to spend your money, and I'm no exception.
I am biased toward Kubota, having owned an L3410, L4060 (current) and 3 ZD mowers. I know full well that I paid more for Kubota, but they all have provided exceptional service.

With that out of the way, the LX series is definitely a step up from the BX tractors in capability. I would look at the LX2610 for your specified tasks.

Other tractor brands that are popular here are LS, Mahindra, Yanmar, Branson, and TYM to name a few. I have no direct experience with these machines, but my neighbor has an old Mahindra that just keeps going. It's a BX sized machine that gets everything done he needs, perhaps a little slower than a larger machine could do.
Happy shopping!
I may have to go back and look closer at the LX2610 and the B2601. Specs show the LX to be a touch bigger with a slightly stronger loader. I'm not sure what the cost difference would be or if there are any other amenities the LX has the B doesn't. Off to YouTube...

For brands, There's an LS dealer near me, but their service department is useless. They used to be a Cub Cadet dealer and I purchased my XT2 lawn tractor from them only for them to be overall unhelpful and unable to fix simple problems that CC detailed fixes and updates for. Last time they looked at my tractor they picked it up and dropped it off without fixing it and wanted me to pay for transportation so I told them I'd pay when they fixed it and they proceeded to harass me. I took it elsewhere and it was fixed right away. They changed names, dropped cub cadet and started selling Husqvarna a couple years ago and then added LS about a year ago. I won't go there. The next nearest LS dealer is not very close, and it's one of 3 locations of a dealer I've been to. 2 locations sell Yanmar and one sells LS. This dealer is pretty good, but I felt the Kubota dealer was better so far. I did look at the New Holland, which is an LS and I'm not a fan of the loader valve on the consul and not next to you.

I forgot to mention, I did check in with the TYM dealer. I've stopped in once as they too are a Cub Cadet dealer when I was looking for a new dealer and was not impressed. I called them for a price on the T264 and they were just as much as Yanmar and the guy just wanted to push me into a 22hp machine with a cab I wasn't interested in.

There are no Mahindra or Branson dealers near me. The Mahindra dealer was a Still dealer that closed a few years back and I'm unaware of any previous Branson dealers.
I’m in WNY and have a little over an acre (1?) of land. Where I’m at, I don’t get a ton of snow, but it gets cold and I get snow. I have a long driveway, I don’t remember the exact length, but it was over 300’ equivalent when I measured a few years back. It wraps around the house and I have a large courtyard between the house and garage. I have a fenced in garden area with raised beds and a green house and then I have chickens and a coop. Probably 2/3 - 3/4 acre is fenced in for my dogs. On my land, we had well over 100 trees, but 85 or so were ash and we did not realize this until a few years back when they started dying. I have had about 5 treated and 3 may survive, but the rest all died. I’ve been taking them down myself and have around 20 more to go. I have been bucking, splitting, and selling firewood.

This does not compute for me. One (1) acre if land, total?



Yes, a bit over 1 acre.
there are other brands to look at but go with the dealer you like best, IMO go with a little larger tractor than what you think provided that it will fit in you storage location. Kubota makes a very good tractor and you will not go wrong with them. IMO evaluate the other brands that are out there, sit on all of them, operate all of them, talk to the service manager at each dealer. After doing your research zero in on the ones you feel the best about and start researching best price and then go back to the dealer that you like best, discuss the price and where he is at relative to the others and see how close he can come. I fully believe that the price is not the most important factor but then again no sense throwing money away.

IMO a stump grinder is the thing that i would rent and not use on my tractor or keep hanging around not being used.
also for digging a small shallow pond i would try using the FEL (depending on soil type) you may be able to dig all you want with the FEL but YMMV.
Thanks, I think I'll check with some other local Kubota dealers on price and I'll look closer into the B2601 vs LX2510.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #6  
I live on 2.5 acres, 1/3 wooded. I bought a Mahindra eMax 20 (20 HP) (Yanmar diesel engine, NO regen!). Dealer is around 40-50 miles away, but I found a trusted independent tractor mechanic who lives 1/2 mile from me! I use him for service, and I only get my parts from the dealer.

Had a group of 40-ish Red Sumac trees that I pulled out (literally!) using chains and hooks on my FEL bucket. I use the Belly Mower that came with it, to mow; I use the FEL with bucket edge ski's, to move plenty of snow, in the winter. I love my little tractor. They are all pretty reliable, IMO.

My neighbor tractor mechanic is amazing, honest, convenient, and very affordable! Search around, see if you can find an independent tractor mechanic nearby. You are not tied to the dealership...

I bought mine used, but it has part of the powertrain warranty yet (7 years!). I've beat it hard, pulling those Red Sumac trees out. I would have liked another 10HP, but the 20 HP I have works well enough; a 1,000# lift on the FEL would be nice, but I make do with the 615# FEL (btw, the rear PTO will lift 1,100#, so if I need to, I can use that to lift heavier stuff, up to 1,000#. The 4-wheel drive is superb for pulling 2"-3" trees out of the ground; the HST is just fine, being super easy to use. Anything bigger than 20 HP, put the other tractors out of my price range, so I went with what I could afford, and I am quite happy with it (had 120 hours only, looked almost new).

I agree: rent the stump grinder and a log splitter to get the job done, then they will be gone, and maintenance and storage are not your issue to deal with! Only buy attachments you will use long term (like a belly mower). Cheers!
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #7  
On your size property I would be looking at the BX or B, if you decide to go with Kubota. Personally, I think a sub-compact is perfect for your sized property and intended uses. Too bad the Massey dealer sucked. The GC1725 is a great sub-compact.

And, don't get hung up on the specs. All the tractor's you're considering will get the job done.

Mike
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #8  
Based on what you said, my choices would be

Kubota LX 2610SU
Kubota B2601

Yanmar SA324
 
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   / Looking to buy my first tractor #9  
Yanmar SA325 does not need to regen as it is under the 25hp requirement. I have essentially the same tractor with bigger tires SA425. I think the SA325 is a perfect option for what you have described. The SA 425 is the same tractor with taller tires and comes with rear remote standard which most small compacts do not.

Yanmar is, in my opinion, the closest you will get to Kubota without having to spend Kubota dollars. It front loader lifts 1,200 pounds which is more than most in it's class. I love mine.

I would drive the hour personally. I find that a lot of sales people know less about a tractor than I do when shopping. Not always but often. I wouldn't let that stop you. Yanmar build a lot of (most of) the JD compacts and subcompacts that are on this site.

Edit: Disregard the sales person and go look at their service department and ask about their mechanics.
 
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   / Looking to buy my first tractor #11  
"I’m looking more for smaller tractors that are still capable as I want to be able to get my tractor into my garage (6.5’ tall doors), and fit around lots of obstacles I have. I don’t plan to mow with it, but would like a mid PTO so I could in the future if things change."

Oops, I didn't see that, Not sure what you can get that is that short.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #12  
You're looking at too small of a machine. You need to be in the Kioti CK, Kubota L, or JD 3025e category at a minimum.

Skip the stump bucket and rent a grinder for a weekend or two.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #13  
personally i think the Kubota BX23S would do the jobs that you expect (mine impresses me), and if needed the ROPS could be folded down to get into the garage ... I think I clear at 81 inches (6' 9") with the ROPS up, including sun canopy. The grapple is my favourite implement, and the box blade is great (landscaping). I've never looked into the stump grinder stuff though. You may not need the backhoe at all, but it's amazing how often it gets used. On smaller properties it's great.

I don't recall all of the model numbers for the the other tractors that I considered, but similar sized Kioti (my second option), John Deere (my third option), McCormick, Massey Ferguson, and New Holland were all on my radar. The Dealership relationship, and the Location of dealership were other factors.

All the best, happy tractor hunting
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #14  

This guy isn't really knowledgeable about tractors but he is accurate. If you look at yanmar you get the 325 or 425 so you get that rear hydraulics.

I don't think 425 would fit in your garage but you would have to measure with ROPs down.

325 would fit in your garage my guess, but you would still need to measure.

I just measured in my garage is 6 ft 8 in with the door open at the lowest point. My 425 goes in it with about 3 in to spare maybe more

So I'm sure the 325 would fit and most subcompacts would fit some compacts might even fit in your garage if they have normal size R4s
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #15  
Been happy with my MF GC1720, has folding ROPS and fits in my standard garage.
I am on 6 acres, about 3/4 woods and lots of dead ash.
I use a thumb on the backhoe instead of a grapple.

You should try and drive some of the ones you are looking at to get a feel for comfort and layout.

I have to agree on rental for the stump grinder.
I got a less expensive splitter, I use it a lot with the ash rounds.
Forks for the front work well moving stuff.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #16  
Have fun shopping, and if you get a Kubota, don’t worry too much about dealer distance. I have never actually had to have any kind of repair at the dealer done on my BX25, and it is now 12 years old! But in any case I have a car hauler trailer which I used when I went to the dealer to get my snowblower mounted. And one other time when I was too lazy to change all the fluids!

By the way, when I bought my BX 25, I only had 3/4 of an acre! But since then, I have bought another 25 acres about 500 yards away.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #17  
Whatever tractor you get, make sure it has a Universal Skid Steer Quick Attach on the FEL. That opens a very wide door of generic attachments, from a great many makers, that will fit your tractor's FEL. Most tractors have them, but not all. Cheers!
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor
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Thanks for the advice so far. Talking through it with my SO, I am leaning towards Kubota. Dealers are closer and there are more of them and it'll hold value a bit more than a Yanmar if I ever sell. Kubota also has R14 tires while Yanmar only offers R4 or turf.

I have a splitter and have split and sold quite a bit of firewood over the last couple years.

I think most of the tractors I'm looking at will fit with ROPs folded down. Only Cab or 4 post models would be an issue. I hope to add a lean to at some point, but for now I'll park the tractor in the garage and maybe a temporary shelter for the lawn tractor, snow blower, and garden tractor.

I have been going back and forth on buying a PTO stump grinder or renting. I'm thinking about renting and seeing what I can get done in a day or two and going from there. If It's slow going I'll probably buy one so I can just work at it as I have time.

Also, I have gone to look at in person all the brands with dealers nearish except TYM, LS, and Bobcat. Bobcat should be similar to Kioti and LS should be similar to New Holland. I drove the JD 1025R, MF GC1723, Yanmar SA424, Kioti CS2510 and CS2520, and Kubota B2601. I sat on the New Holland work master 25s, Yanmar SA325, MF GC1725m, and maybe a couple others. There are a couple Bobcat dealers I've been too, but none had a Bobcat in stock and primarily sold other brands. I think that's about it for local options. The Yanmar and Kubota dealers seem to be the best by quite a large margin so I'm definitely going with one of those two brands.
 
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   / Looking to buy my first tractor #19  
Thanks for the advice so far. Talking through it with my SO, I am leaning towards Kubota. Dealers are closer and there are more of them and it'll hold value a bit more than a Yanmar if I ever sell. Kubota also has R14 tires while Yanmar only offers R4 or turf.

I have a splitter and have split and sold quite a bit of firewood over the last couple years.

I think most of the tractors I'm looking at will fit with ROPs folded down. Only Cab or 4 post models would be an issue. I hope to add a lean to at some point, but for now I'll park the tractor in the garage and maybe a temporary shelter for the lawn tractor, snow blower, and garden tractor.

I have been going back and forth on buying a PTO stump grinder or renting. I'm thinking about renting and seeing what I can get done in a day or two and going from there. If It's slow going I'll probably buy one so I can just work at it as I have time.

You really can't go wrong with the Orange. Post Pics and hang around if you pull the trigger. Try and negotiate some of the options you want on it when buying.
 
   / Looking to buy my first tractor #20  
As far as LS goes, look at their MT225-S.... bigger than the NH 25s. Has a lot of features.... far more than the MT125, which is the NH25s
 

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