Flail Mower Let's talk flail mowers

   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,571  
I still don't see how the knives can be Dan's problem. They are essentially new and have more edge than mine do. The clevis mount is exactly what my Caroni uses and "hydrofoiling " is just not an issue.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,572  
I still don't see how the knives can be Dan's problem. They are essentially new and have more edge than mine do. The clevis mount is exactly what my Caroni uses and "hydrofoiling " is just not an issue.

I don't believe it's the blades either ...

I replace mine typically just when I bend them.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,574  
I'm not sure how the knives would be the problem either. How would measuring what is on there now and ordering the exact same thing but hardened change anything?

As for the knives opening up while spinning. Does anyone have any proof that that actually happens? When I built my chain attachments I checked to make sure the knives had plenty of room to slide open to allow the cut to be horizontal. They open up very easily by hand. When I had all knives on I brought the flail up to speed and videoed with my phone and could clearly see the knives were not opening up at all. Still had the upside down Y shape.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,575  
They are not spinning fast enough.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,576  
I don't know if they put a different tach/speedo in the models with the dual range transmission or not, it's just a possibility. Regardless, I physically measured pto rpm so I know where the tach needs to be to hit 540..



It makes a big difference. What I first measured pto rpm I had left the tractor in high range from driving home, it looked like I had been over-spinning the crap out of the mower... lol I forget the number, would have been like 800-900 pto rpm at rated engine speed. :eek: I then realized the range must change it and dropped it to low range to measure again, which of course told me it was off from where it was supposed to be, but now I know where the motor needs to be to get 540...



Yes, they got back to me, but right as I was discovering the scraper could be mounted closer to the roller, so he just figured that would fix it. It made it better....but still seems like I'm ripping grass as much as mulching it and the ends of the roller still load up. No idea if I could return it, don't have the pallet or crate to ship it back to Oregon and would probably cost me $300-400 to ship anyway... Haven't considered sharpening them as I've only mowed with it for about 5 hours...I've spent enough time this week messing around with it that I could have gotten half a dozen other things done instead...



Interesting picture there as the D ring mount might allow the two blades to "hydrofoil" out (spread apart from each other) as leonz said. Mine are rigidly mounted, which makes little sense to me as you have the wide 3/8" or so flat where the upper parts are together that just rips at the grass. Even if the blades were sharpened all the way up that wouldn't really become a cutting edge with them pressed together. I'd rather see something like one of these with all edges sharpened...

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I've wondered about just spreading mine apart with the spacers that are already on the bolts, but would have to check overlap of the blades first. I also think the standard side slicers would cut more efficiently if the bottoms were ground instead of the tops. If you picture the angle of attack of the blade swinging up and forward into the grass grinding the bottom instead would lead the cutting edge into the material a little more square to it...

For now I'm probably done messing with it for a while. Tried again today with no better luck, and when I got back to add insult to injury I had a very small coolant drip from the radiator... :rolleyes: I don't see it as practical to try and return it, and I can't use it as is, so just have to chalk it up to having made a bad decision. Still might stick the flail on the neighbor's tractor just to test how much of the issue is my tractor, but that depends on him finding time. Might pick up a carb rebuild kit this weekend too, but not sure when I would get to it...

I have very limited experience and have only used hammer blades. They seem to work well for all conditions, including the lawn. However, I beat them up quite badly on my trails. I asked my vendor about grass blades and he showed some that look similar to what you are using. He also showed me spacers that are added between the blades to separate them about 1 inch. So perhaps you should use spacers?

My vendor has sold quite a few flail mowers in this area. Some to orchard operators and others to plain acreage people mainly mowing lawns. He says all who changed from grass blades to hammer blades never went back to Y-blades. The literature and others seem to recommend Y-blades for lawns. However, the hammer blades do just as good a job on my lawn and pasture as my Farm King finishing mower. Here is a photo after cutting the lawn yesterday(using hammer blades):

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...with the same blades that I used to reopen this trail two days before:

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I reconditioned the blades before cutting the trail. They were in terrible shape from clearing clearing very rough areas for my neighbour. Here is a photo of the re-sharpened blades:

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I had to replace a one broken and one damaged blade when re-conditioning the set:


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Perhaps your vendor would supply a set at his cost or even a reconditioned set at below cost so you could try them.

I have limited experience. Do others think hammer blades might help? Also, should spacers be added between the Y-blades?
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,579  
Dan - I know there is a question on your PTO speed. On my tractor 540 PTO is near wide open throttle within about 200 RPM. Neighbors gas Kubota (oldie oldie) is about the same. Could it be its actually not rotating fast enough? I cant see how over speed would hurt either except for vibration possibly. Just thinking out loud here.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,580  
Spinning as fast as my 430 case tractor will spin them. How fast do they need to spin?

Sorry, not your post, I was responding to the problem Dan in MN is having mowing long grass.
 
 

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