Flail Mower Let's talk flail mowers

   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,701  
You first! :)

$7560

I paid $100 for my ancient beatup 917 flail & $400-500 in parts along with a couple weekends to resurrect it. Was just curious what a current top of the line model runs these days for that spreadsheet I was working on. $7k+ is a tough pill to swallow when you see the Chinese ones out there in the $2-3k range. I fully expect LandPride (I thought I read they get them from somebody in Italy & re-badge them) is better quality, but when you can buy 2-3 of the others for the same price it does make you wonder how much better quality.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,702  
I know the urge to get a "good one" versus the cheaper ones. Of course, there will always be those who will make accusations about how we buy junk instead of the "good one."

At some point, I finally let reality sink in and admit that my needs don't require that I drop so much money in a machine that is not really going to be worked as if I hire out to do someone else's property.

That is good, as it saves me the money to use where it may be needed more.

I looked at a big old worn flail mower at a local dealer. The price being asked for that old rusted flail mower was more than most of the other new flails available, so there was no way I was going to pay that much. It may well have been a "good one" at one time, but what I saw was rusted heavy equipment.

A new 6' Caroni should be more than adequate to meet my needs. If I am wrong, I guess I'll adjust.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,703  
Alien in QLD bought one a little while back, check his reviews at around post #2627
I have just bought a 1350 with hydraulic side shift from hayes. They were great to deal with. Very quick to ship (im in WA) the mower seems great. A chinese import but 2yr gearbox guarantee. Done about 15hrs mowing now and it hasnt missed a beat..just could do with a bit more pto hp ( ive only got 26 at the pto) the side shift is fantastic and i am glad i spec'd it.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,705  
I have just bought a 1350 with hydraulic side shift from hayes. They were great to deal with. Very quick to ship (im in WA) the mower seems great. A chinese import but 2yr gearbox guarantee. Done about 15hrs mowing now and it hasnt missed a beat..just could do with a bit more pto hp ( ive only got 26 at the pto) the side shift is fantastic and i am glad i spec'd it.




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   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,706  
A new 6' Caroni should be more than adequate to meet my needs. If I am wrong, I guess I'll adjust.

I don't recall anyone who bought the $2000 Caroni TM1900 complaining that it didn't suit their mowing needs. I wouldn't recommend it for a highway department but it will handle anything an overgrown pasture challenges it with easily.
 

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   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,707  
Yep, by those pictures, I should not have any problem.

Thanks
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,708  
I paid $100 for my ancient beatup 917 flail & $400-500 in parts along with a couple weekends to resurrect it. Was just curious what a current top of the line model runs these days for that spreadsheet I was working on. $7k+ is a tough pill to swallow when you see the Chinese ones out there in the $2-3k range. I fully expect LandPride (I thought I read they get them from somebody in Italy & re-badge them) is better quality, but when you can buy 2-3 of the others for the same price it does make you wonder how much better quality.
I started with a $200 Virismo flail that was missing attachment points. I adapted JD knives and made it work for a season. Then I found a JD 25A in southern NM for $600. Its a beast compared to the Verismo flail.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,709  
The Landpride units are made by The Maschio Company in Italy.
They are very well made Orchard and vineyard flail mulchers/shredders
which can also can be used for mowing.

The Land Pride/Maschio Flail Mowers also have a trash door for mowing
in tall heavy brush with out clogging with smaller horsepower mules.
The trash door is also a mower inspection door which allows changing of the
cast hammer knives or removing them for sharpening using a wet grinder.

The European brands of flail mowers have to meet the much more stringent
European Union Safety standards for farm equipment and mowing equipment than
in China or the United States.

You need to decide how much money you want to spend or can afford to spend.

The Caroni and Maschio families flail mowers benefit from economies of scale in production because
the flail mowers and rototillers have many of the same components-bearings, frame size
in steel pressing/forming jigs, plate steel thickness, tubular steel component sizes for all
flail mowers.

Thier quality control needs a little bit of work with checking for the proper manuals for
each implement in each implements shipping crate and making sure the rear roller mounting
bolts have been secured with blue Loctite.

The more they help the customer that buy the flail mowers the more they help their sales.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,710  
You'd have to be specific about what flail mower you are considering. There are heavy duty flails that will happily cut up cinder blocks along the highway.

For a medium duty flail like the Caroni TM1900, I have had no issue at all with 2 inch brush. Haven't tried 3 inch material as I usually get those with the grapple. Here are photos of the remains of a couple of bushes that had about 2 inch stems. The original bushes looked like the untouched bush just behind the stubble remains.[/QUOTE


I'm looking at a flail mower what type of blades do I need to have for cutting 1 to 3 inch youpon a and brush
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,711  
I'm looking at a flail mower
What kind of blades or knives are needed for 1-3 inch youpon small cedar and heavy brush
What's a fair price
And is there a supplier in Texas
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,712  
I'm looking at a flail mower
What kind of blades or knives are needed for 1-3 inch youpon small cedar and heavy brush
What's a fair price
And is there a supplier in Texas
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,713  
Calling on the Flail Mower Nation.

I am trying to find good high volume Maschio Griffetta 160SE stocking dealers. If you bought from one that treated you fair could you please get me the contact information. So far the one Maschio USA provided is not working for me for reasons best left unsaid.

Iowa Farm Equipment carry's them online, but hoping to find someone closer due to shipping costs. I live in an isolated spot in Colorado. I can get to ABQ NM easier than I can get to Denver. Does anyone have any experience with these folks. They seem real on the phone.

Thanks for any help.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,714  
I'm looking at a flail mower
What kind of blades or knives are needed for 1-3 inch youpon small cedar and heavy brush
What's a fair price
And is there a supplier in Texas

I'm looking at a flail mower
What kind of blades or knives are needed for 1-3 inch youpon small cedar and heavy brush
What's a fair price
And is there a supplier in Texas



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Hello Kimaran,


A forestry flail mower mounted on a self propelled tracked carrier or a crawler excavator will be the only and safest way to take full advantage of its power and clearing ability.

Saying that, your brush and cedar loading and diameter are much too big and would be better managed with a small dozer and a tractor loader with a grapple to dump the all the brush and cedar in to the tub grinder to get rid of it.

A flail mower unless its a forestry flail mower or forestry rotary cutter-hate those-hole in garage window
from the neighbors hired clearing job adjacent to my property line-the rock was tossed almost 400 feet when it hit my garage window. Much, much, much, too dangerous to use nearby with any property homes or buildings within a 1,000 feet.


Once you clear it off you can use a flail mower to manage the land as the trees and saplings will be gone.

The Fecon folks would be able to help you find a logger that would have a tub grinder and a mulcher both


The Fecon regional salesman who is assigned to your area is Kevin Chambers and his contact number is 513-404-5787

He can help you find a logger with a mulcher. I have no idea how much a forestry mower rental would be per day.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,715  
Hi all, I'm the new kid on the block. I've skimmed part of this thread, but I have a question that would probably be better answered as specific to my particular situation.

I'm starting a vegetable market farm and will be cultivating about 2 acres (to start with... up to about 6 acres are usable, plus another 20 in pasture, which will be rotationally grazed). I plan to use cover crops that will be grown quite densely, growing at least 4 feet tall (probably taller). Depending on what I'll be planting in that bed, I'll either cut it finely and incorporate it, or roll it and leave it on the surface as mulch. I'll also be maintaining fence lines that are pretty brushy with weed trees (goats will also help with this). So a flail mower is in my future. A tractor is also in my (very near) future. On craigslist right now I'm looking at tractors with about 30 HP that weigh less than 3500 lbs (for towing and soil compaction reasons).

Here's my question. When I look at flail mowers such as the Del Morino or Caroni (leaving aside any mudslinging about the Titan), and they say "suitable for tractors of 25-50 HP" (I'm looking at models about 60" wide since that's my bed spacing), is that range of suggested HP dependent on what you're cutting? That is to say, if I'm cutting dense tall cover crops and saplings, do I need to be closer to 50 HP, or would 30 still be fine? Conversely, if an implement says "20-30 HP" and I were to use, say, a 40 HP tractor, are there any problems with "too much" HP? (Can you tell yet that I grew up in the city? Sorry for the newbie questions!)

In terms of other power-hungry implements, I'll be using a power harrow and a chisel plow.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,716  
Hi all, I'm the new kid on the block. I've skimmed part of this thread,
but I have a question that would probably be better answered as specific to my particular situation.

I'm starting a vegetable market farm and will be cultivating about 2 acres (to start with... up to about 6 acres are usable, plus another 20 in pasture, which will be rotationally grazed). I plan to use cover crops that will be grown quite densely, growing at least 4 feet tall (probably taller). Depending on what I'll be planting in that bed, I'll either cut it finely and incorporate it, or roll it and leave it on the surface as mulch. I'll also be maintaining fence lines that are pretty brushy with weed trees (goats will also help with this). So a flail mower is in my future. A tractor is also in my (very near) future. On craigslist right now I'm looking at tractors with about 30 HP that weigh less than 3500 lbs (for towing and soil compaction reasons).

Here's my question. When I look at flail mowers such as the Del Morino or Caroni (leaving aside any mudslinging about the Titan), and they say "suitable for tractors of 25-50 HP" (I'm looking at models about 60" wide since that's my bed spacing), is that range of suggested HP dependent on what you're cutting? That is to say, if I'm cutting dense tall cover crops and saplings, do I need to be closer to 50 HP, or would 30 still be fine? Conversely, if an implement says "20-30 HP" and I were to use, say, a 40 HP tractor, are there any problems with "too much" HP? (Can you tell yet that I grew up in the city? Sorry for the newbie questions!)

In terms of other power-hungry implements, I'll be using a power harrow and a chisel plow.

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Yes, I can tell your a city farmer.


1. "Save Your Money"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2. "It's your money"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3. "Read the entire flail mower thread"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
a. yes its must.
4. Talk to Joel at Earth Tools!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

5. read number one, read number two, read number three, read number four, read number five 6 times.


Do you really have the time, money, will, and good weather to do this????

OK if your starting with two acres I would only invest in a 2 wheel mule like the BCS853 with a rotary plow and the widest BCS flailmower. you can cover a lot of ground with a Berta flail mower and a BCS 853 as long as your willing to invest in the time needed.


The rotary plow on a BCS or Grillo two wheel mule will let you till below the hardpan at 14 inches deep and eliminate compaction every year.

You will need lime and gypsum to dissolve the clay and reduce the acidity of the soil.

Forget about rolling your cover crops they wont stay down unless cut them or you till them in!!!

You can build raised beds with the rotary plow and plow 14 inches deep and till in tall cover crops in one pass.

You need to "spend a lot of time talking to Joel" at Earth Tools to do this the right way.

You can always invest in a four wheel drive Series One JD or a Kubota 1870 later and add implements "as you can afford them".

You may end up with an walk behind German import flail mower that is branded as an ORECK flailmower.
BUT you will be limited as to what you can purchase for attachments for the ORECK Flail Mower being a rotary mower attachment.

You can do a lot of work with a two wheel mule like a BCS gas or diesel or Grillo gas or diesel mule with implements that are used in Europe in many small farms on a daily basis.

If you have a sulky to ride on the mowing is easy and will go quickly if you mow in spirals to recut the brush and grass.

Your going to spend less money this way and will allow you to build a truck farm garden with narrow raised beds that will choke out weeds quickly with the crops as they will grow much quicker blocking out the sun on the ground killing the weed seedlings.

It works, I have done it, I will do it again this coming season with my TroyBuilt tiller.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,717  
Hi all, I'm the new kid on the block. I've skimmed part of this thread, but I have a question that would probably be better answered as specific to my particular situation.

I'm starting a vegetable market farm and will be cultivating about 2 acres (to start with... up to about 6 acres are usable, plus another 20 in pasture, which will be rotationally grazed). I plan to use cover crops that will be grown quite densely, growing at least 4 feet tall (probably taller). Depending on what I'll be planting in that bed, I'll either cut it finely and incorporate it, or roll it and leave it on the surface as mulch. I'll also be maintaining fence lines that are pretty brushy with weed trees (goats will also help with this). So a flail mower is in my future. A tractor is also in my (very near) future. On craigslist right now I'm looking at tractors with about 30 HP that weigh less than 3500 lbs (for towing and soil compaction reasons).

Here's my question. When I look at flail mowers such as the Del Morino or Caroni (leaving aside any mudslinging about the Titan), and they say "suitable for tractors of 25-50 HP" (I'm looking at models about 60" wide since that's my bed spacing), is that range of suggested HP dependent on what you're cutting? That is to say, if I'm cutting dense tall cover crops and saplings, do I need to be closer to 50 HP, or would 30 still be fine? Conversely, if an implement says "20-30 HP" and I were to use, say, a 40 HP tractor, are there any problems with "too much" HP? (Can you tell yet that I grew up in the city? Sorry for the newbie questions!)

In terms of other power-hungry implements, I'll be using a power harrow and a chisel plow.

Not ignoring Leonz plea to rethink your imminent jump into the farming pond, I'll address your questions more directly: A five foot flail would be very reasonably run by a 30hp tractor. The range given should be interpreted to mean the minimum horsepower to effectively mow and the maximum horsepower that the gearbox will tolerate. A 30 hp tractor is right in the sweetspot. Does it mean you have enough power to run quickly through dense four foot grasses in high range?? No. It means that you have enough power to get through that dense grass by traveling slowly and adjusting your travel speed according to the quality of cut you want to leave. I mow similar grass with a 40hp tractor and six foot flail so it is roughly proportional to what you are contemplating. I can do that using the tractor running at 200-400rpm lower than true PTO speed so I have reserve if needed. I am very happy with the flexibility and mowing quality.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,718  
Hi all, I'm the new kid on the block. I've skimmed part of this thread, but I have a question that would probably be better answered as specific to my particular situation.

I'm starting a vegetable market farm and will be cultivating about 2 acres (to start with... up to about 6 acres are usable, plus another 20 in pasture, which will be rotationally grazed). I plan to use cover crops that will be grown quite densely, growing at least 4 feet tall (probably taller). Depending on what I'll be planting in that bed, I'll either cut it finely and incorporate it, or roll it and leave it on the surface as mulch. I'll also be maintaining fence lines that are pretty brushy with weed trees (goats will also help with this). So a flail mower is in my future. A tractor is also in my (very near) future. On craigslist right now I'm looking at tractors with about 30 HP that weigh less than 3500 lbs (for towing and soil compaction reasons).

Here's my question. When I look at flail mowers such as the Del Morino or Caroni (leaving aside any mudslinging about the Titan), and they say "suitable for tractors of 25-50 HP" (I'm looking at models about 60" wide since that's my bed spacing), is that range of suggested HP dependent on what you're cutting? That is to say, if I'm cutting dense tall cover crops and saplings, do I need to be closer to 50 HP, or would 30 still be fine? Conversely, if an implement says "20-30 HP" and I were to use, say, a 40 HP tractor, are there any problems with "too much" HP? (Can you tell yet that I grew up in the city? Sorry for the newbie questions!)

In terms of other power-hungry implements, I'll be using a power harrow and a chisel plow.

First - for the tractor, please consider one with at least 35 PTO hp and dual rear remotes. I like my hydro-static drive as I can go as slow as I want.That will give you a much wider range of equipment you can run. This is in what is called the compact tractor range and you can usually get wide R4 tires or even turf tires for it. I only have 26.5PTO with my 35HP tractor, so be careful when reading power requirements. With that size tractor you can considering haying your back field later if you wish, or have enough power and weight for a backhoe attachment or larger tiller. However I am running a Ansung YJR074 74" tiller with my unit - I just haft to go slow. Lots of help here to buy wisely.

Good luck on the farm.

PS - also check into taxes. If you go AGG and file a Sch F with the feds there are a lot of advantages.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,719  
The only thing I will comment is that it is absolutely possible to terminate some cover crops by rolling or preferably crimping. By rolling or crimping the crop is left on top of the ground and does a very good job of protecting seeds and conserving moisture.
 
   / Let's talk flail mowers #3,720  
 

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