Help - Rolled my JD4710.

[CliffordK]

Look at the condition of the seat in the picture.

I'm not seeing anything too bad with the seat, but it is hard to tell.

In most of the photos it shows having rolled forward at the hinges with one of the early photos showing it being surrounded by brush on the ground. That may well indicate that it wasn't occupied when it hit the ground. Unless there are springs in it to flip it up.

Leaping off the uphill side of a rolling tractor may be difficult, unless one knows it is about to roll a few seconds early.

 

[sandman2234]

Glad that you are here to post your question. I'm sure that you had to change your shorts after that.

One TBN member's signature reads
"A serious accident is one which money can't fix." That could have been written for this.

Well, I guess somebody does read signatures!
I am glad you weren't hurt!
I would put the tractor in gear with the key in the off position and pull from both wheels, front and rear.
Before you start pulling, take a look at the loader and make sure that it is higher than the front wheels if the tractor was sitting upright. You need it to be higher than the front wheels when the tractor flips or the loader arms are going to take a lot of sideways force which will not be good. I would take the time to remove the loader arms from the tractor if it is a detachable loader and seriously consider it even if it wasn't a quick attach. That is a bunch of extra work but the forces involved when the tractor flips are thru the roof and the loader isn't designed for it.
Once you get it upright on its wheels, start asking the questions about what to do next and how long do you wait!
David from jax

 

[Jrasband]

I always pull from the top of the ROPS. You get a lot more leverage which makes it much easier to flip back over, never bent anything doing this, and I have turned upright one tractor and two excavators this way.

 

[sandman2234]

I'm pretty sure that i could get that tractor back on its wheels and deal with it afterwards.

BUT

I WOULD HIRE A WRECKER!

I watched via a video phone call a well known wrecker company upright an excavator that had hit a hole while moving around in a shallow pond. When the guy I was on the phone with explained to the owner of the wrecker company that he would flip the excavator if he pulled where he was attaching, the owner told him that he had been doing this for over half his life and get back out of the way. The excavator did exactly what we expected it to do, it flipped over on its side and literally destroyed the machine. The wrecker company didn't pay a cent for their stupidity, just dragged it out of the pond and sat it upright. They even billed the company for their stupidity!
Wrecker drivers aren't always your friend, as they are not required to have any sort of training.
David from jax

 

[Jstpssng]

Wrecker drivers aren't always your friend, as they are not required to have any sort of training.

Years ago we were headed back from hunting and came across a Dodge pickup on the side of the road which had obviously been rolled but then driven.
We later heard the story from somebody who had given them a ride back to town.

Apparently they had left the road and flipped the truck onto it's passenger side with the frame toward the trees. When the wrecker got there he stated that he would have to roll it completely over to get it back onto the road. Huh????
He did so, essentially totalling the truck but they started it up and proceeded back to town. They parked it when it overheated.

 

[ruffdog]

I am considering running a strap through the rear rim plate for a pulling point. Hopefully that won't damage the rim.

At this point the OP has the tractor upright and his last post was how to drag the backend around so it’s headed uphill. I wouldn’t be surprised if he doesn’t have it running by now

Any updates on the condition of the tractor now that it's upright? Was there much movement of fluids to places where it shouldn't be? Does it bar over?

Curious minds want an update....is it up and running now? What procedure did you use to start it and is it all good?

 

[AuCivil]

Did you have the seat belt on?

Did not have the seat belt on. Think it was fortunate in this case because there was a rock sticking up exactly were I would have been if I were strapped in. If the tractor had rolled on over, I'd be gone. I still believe seat belts should be worn.

 

[AuCivil]

Curious minds want an update....is it up and running now? What procedure did you use to start it and is it all good?

It has been roped off a little better to keep it in place. Been raining off and on since the mishap. Waiting on the ground to dry up a bit before I tackle the trip up the hill.

Considering it will have been upright for several weeks, is it necessary to pull the glow plugs or will the oil drain back down from the cylinders.

 

[Shawn T. W.]

I'd still pull the glow plugs and turn it over, I'd also check that there isn't any coolant or oil cross contamination ...

When it went over, did it continue to run until you shut it off? Did it stall? Did you shut it off before you bailed off?

 

[Jstpssng]

I would still do all of the checks. It's pretty cheap insurance.

 

[sandman2234]

I would definitely use a socket on the crankshaft nut to turn the engine over at least 2 engine rotations before I decided to use a starter to turn it over!
If there is not a nut on the crankshaft, then pull the flywheel cover plate or the clutch arm and use a prybar to turn the engine over even if it is one tooth of the flywheel at a time. A couple hours invested in this may save your engine if the oil didn't drain past the rings (and why would it if there was a good seal in the upper chamber?) Gravity will only go so far. I wouldn't take the chance!
David from jax

 

[careyo63]

What I would be worried about is what If any type of fluid made it's way into the Engine cylinders. I know I have A Decompression Lever that will hold the valves open and you can turn the Eng. over. Super fast for cold start. My guess is the Muffler would be a good place to look before you turn it over. 4 bolts to the Exhaust of the Eng. head. ?

 

[ruffdog]

Considering it will have been upright for several weeks, is it necessary to pull the glow plugs or will the oil drain back down from the cylinders.

I would definitely use a socket on the crankshaft nut to turn the engine over at least 2 engine rotations before I decided to use a starter to turn it over!
If there is not a nut on the crankshaft, then pull the flywheel cover plate or the clutch arm and use a prybar to turn the engine over even if it is one tooth of the flywheel at a time. A couple hours invested in this may save your engine if the oil didn't drain past the rings (and why would it if there was a good seal in the upper chamber?) Gravity will only go so far. I wouldn't take the chance!
David from jax

What I would be worried about is what If any type of fluid made it's way into the Engine cylinders.

At a bare minimum, I would manually turn the engine over a couple revolutions before starting. If you don't have a good nut to grab to do this, then yes I would pull the plugs and crank over.

BTW to the OP.....good luck and keep us updated.

 

[sailonner]

For anyone who happens to want to know what worked to right a rolled Chinese diesel 25hp 4WD:
I've had to do it twice! The first time I called in a AAA large-size tow truck with their recovery cable led to a snatch block up on a pine tree above the tractor. No problem.
The next time my son rolled it. I wasn't there, but I told him to rig the rear mounted Harbor Fright 12,000lb electric winch to a snatch block on a tree, high enough above the tractor to pull it more upwards than sideways. He did that, and it came back up OK. There was enough battery power to the job.
One really good reason to have an AGM type sealed battery in the tractor is No battery acid leaking when it's on its side!

The 12K winch mounted on my tractor. BTW a snatch block doesn't change the pulling force unless the end of the winch cable is anchored and the snatch block moves with the load. If it is anchored to a tree it only changes the direction of the pull if the winch isn't mounted to the tractor, and is coming from a separate vehicle.

 

[AuCivil]

I'd still pull the glow plugs and turn it over, I'd also check that there isn't any coolant or oil cross contamination ...

When it went over, did it continue to run until you shut it off? Did it stall? Did you shut it off before you bailed off?

It was running fine on it's side until I found my wit's and shut it off. That didn't take too long.

 

[Jstpssng]

It was running fine on it's side until I found my wit's and shut it off. That didn't take too long.

That's a good sign.