CUT Low Loader Lift Capacity

[yooperdave]

Hoping to buy a new HST Loader Tractor - full sized compact frame.

Kubota has always been at or near the top of my list.

However while researching, the lift capacity posted for the various Kubota CUT's are significantly LESS than most of the competition.

Trying to get at least 2,000# lift capacity without buying an 'M' Series. Budget is around ~ $30,000.

Any insights?

TIA

Yooper Dave

 

[jeff9366]

Kubota MX series. The MX Series is now comprised of two models, the MX5400 and the MX6000, ranging from 55.5 to 63.4 gross engine horsepower and both available with an optional factory cab.

If you will be lifting one ton loads higher than 36" routinely you would be wise to spend for the additional weight and width of an M series. SAFETY FIRST.

Kubota LA1065 Loader (MX)
Height (to pin):	111.2 inches 282 cm
Clearance, dumped bucket:	85.5 inches 217 cm
Dump reach:	26.1 inches 66 cm
Dump angle:	46°
Reach at ground:	78.1 inches 198 cm
Rollback angle:	42°
Breakout force (at 500mm):	3102 lbs 1407 kg
Lift to full height (at pin):	2275 lbs 1031 kg
Lift to full height (at 500mm):	1691 lbs 767 kg
Bucket width:	72 inches 182 cm

Kubota BH92 Backhoe
Backhoe type:	Kubota BH92 Backhoe
Transport height:	100.1 inches 254 cm
2-Foot flat digging depth:	109.8 inches 278 cm
Reach from pivot:	150.4 inches 382 cm
Loading height:	84.3 inches 214 cm
Bucket Rotation:	180

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[yooperdave]

My local Kubota Dealer (30 min. away) has a 2019 L4701 with rim guard and a few hundred hours on it.

He is going to set up some pallets with known loads on them so we can see how much can actually be lifted.

Due to the industrial treads on the tires, chains will be added to the front tires so I can still plow the driveway.

Yooper Dave

 

[nybirdman]

L4701 has a relatively weak loader for it's size,as suggested the Mx series should lift your intended loads.Kubota loaders are roughly 2 times the number on the loader(I.E. 854=1708 lbs.).
Also there is "standard" for determining capacity across the manufactoriers ,some measure at the pins ,some at bucket edge ect.

 

[jeff9366]

My local Kubota Dealer (30 min. away) has a 2019 L4701 with rim guard and a few hundred hours on it.

The L4701 is 4" to 7" narrower in wheel/tire spread than an MX, depending on tire selection. A BIG decrease in platform stability. The LA765 Loader on an L4701 is rated for about 1,300 pounds lift to full height, AT THE PINS.


The Kubota dealer is going to set up some pallets with known loads on them so we can see how much can actually be lifted.

Likely 1,300 pounds lift of LADEN PALLETS 6" off the ground, 1,150 pounds at 36", lift capacity decreasing rapidly with additional height.

 

[newbury]

And note it has been reported on TBN a while back that many Kubotas straight from the dealers have had real world performance poorer than specs. It seems they were "cranked" down, perhaps to prevent failure. All I read about were able to be "cranked" back up and performed well.
So when you test it at the dealer find out what pressure it's running at. They may have one "detuned" or tuned up.

 

[diesel85]

I'll also mention that tractors are not forklifts. Be careful!

 

[pokey1416]

I’m with Jeff on this one. If you want 2,000 lbs go with MX or an M. GL with bigger loader should do it too, but expensive.

Here‘s the CA specs for the 1154E

 

[yooperdave]

I’m with Jeff on this one. If you want 2,000 lbs go with MX or an M. GL with bigger loader should do it too, but expensive.

Here‘s the CA specs for the 1154E

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The 'M' or 'MX' is simply too big for me. If the loader test fails I will give the LS MT342H dealer a call. His tractor has a load rating of 2,680#. The price would be less as well.

Regards,

Yooper Dave

 

[jeff9366]

If the loader test fails I will give the LS MT342H dealer a call. His tractor has a load rating of 2,680#. The price would be less as well.

LS MT342​

Dimensions
Wheelbase:	73.2 inches 185 cm
Length:	133 inches 337 cm
Width:	62.5 inches 158 cm
Height (ROPS):	95 inches 241 cm
Height (cab):	90 inches 228 cm

LS LL4106 Loader
Loader weight with bucket:	1045 pounds
Height (to pin):	94.4 inches 239 cm
Clearance, dumped bucket:	64.4 inches 163 cm
Dump reach:	16.7 inches 42 cm
Dump angle:	52°
Clearance, level bucket:	83 inches 210 cm
Rollback angle:	41°
Breakout force (at pin):	4063 lbs 1842 kg
Breakout force (bucket):	2660 lbs 1206 kg
Lift to full height (at pin):	2680 lbs 1215 kg
Bucket width:	72 inches 182 cm

I am 74 years old and recognize my relative fragility.

I know not your age but personally I would not consider it safe to lift 2,500 pounds with a 62.5" width tractor, except on an infrequent basis, on swept, smooth, flat and level pavement.

The LS price would be less.
Research a wider model LS.

This issue isn't brand vs brand. It is physics.

 

[fishdrivel]

There are lies, damn lies and specifications!

 

[Grandad4]

The laws of physics are the same for all brands of tractors, right? So if a hydraulic cylinder has a certain diameter and gets a given amount of pressure, it will provide a predictable amount of force, regardles of what color paint is on the outside.

Since most similar horsepower compacts have comparable cylinder sizes and hydraulic psi, they will all have about the same basic lifting force from their hydraulics.

Beyond that, what can a manufacturer do make its loaders seem superior to buyers?

1. Change the geometry a bit. There is a tradeoff between lft height and lift capacity. Indeed some of the "stronger" loaders get their good lift numbers at significantly lower max heights.
2. Start taking metal out of the loader bucket and arms. Every pound shaved becomes additional lift capacity. Of course you might end up with a more delicate piece of equipment, but few people seem to pay attention to things like that. So compare the weight of different loaders (and you may have fun finding those numbers from some manufacturers).

Also, if you plan on doing lots of loader work, see how the different units you are considering actually work and feel. In everyday work a really strong loader that is clumsy and crude to operate is less useful and productive than one with better controls.

The message: Regarding loaders, and for that matter most other things, don't look just at one number such as "lift capacity", pay attention to the overall design and the likely functionality of what you are buying.

 

[sd455dan]

The 'M' or 'MX' is simply too big for me. If the loader test fails I will give the LS MT342H dealer a call. His tractor has a load rating of 2,680#. The price would be less as well.

Regards,

Yooper Dave

Skimmed through the thread and noticed that the max Lift height of this LS is about 94 inches, 64 inches bucket dumped. Shorter arms- lower lift height.
If you plan on loading over the side of trucks or need to stack things, this becomes more important. Just something to check in the brand comparisons.
Looking at even the 25 horse Branson 2515 the bucket dumped is 83 inches.

 

[jeff9366]

2. Start taking metal out of the loader bucket and arms. Every pound shaved becomes additional lift capacity. Of course you might end up with a delicate piece of equipment, but few people seem to pay attention to things like that. So compare the weight of different loaders.

Kubota LA1055 = 1,411 pounds

LS LL4106 = 1,045 pounds

difference: 366 pounds

https://www.rcotractor.com/fckimages/PDFs/ls-tractor-manuals/LL4106OPManual.pdf

 

[bdhsfz6]

Keep in mind that most of the loader lift ratings are made at or a fixed distance forward of the pivot point. It is sometimes difficult to compare specs accurately.

I currently have an MX5800 with LA1065 loader. It came from the dealer with the hydraulic pressure set at 10% below spec. The dealer said it was for liability reasons. They had no problem setting it back to spec after I asked.

Even at spec pressure, the LA1065 with pallet forks will lift just slightly more than 1900#. The forks weigh 300# so the actual lift capacity is somewhere around 2200# at the pivot point.

Call me a pansy if you wish but I get a severe case of bu** pucker when operating the MX with the FEL carrying max weight at full height. There is no way I will attempt it on uneven ground.

The design of the Kubota front axle seals isn't that good and consistently carrying max weight with the FEL can cause them to leak.

I've owned many smaller Kubota's in the past and none will lift 2000#

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Or take a look at Branson. Great lift height and lift capacity...

 

[yooperdave]

Or take a look at Branson. Great lift height and lift capacity...

The Branson Dealer is very close to the Kubota Dealer. I loved the Branson Tractors - very VERY nice.
The Dealer was difficult. He bad mouthed LS every chance he could. He also raised the price of his offerings due to the Supply shortage. I question his integrity and my ability to buy a tractor from him.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

The Branson Dealer is very close to the Kubota Dealer. I loved the Branson Tractors - very VERY nice.
The Dealer was difficult. He bad mouthed LS every chance he could. He also raised the price of his offerings due to the Supply shortage. I question his integrity and my ability to buy a tractor from him.

That’s too bad... the mechanical engine is also a big plus, nobody says they wish they had an ECM

 

[oldballs]

Finding the lift capacity (2,000 lbs) is one thing. Finding it at $20,000 is another...for the largest tractor under an M Maybe a used one.

 

[yooperdave]

The budget is $30,000. The LS MT342H with rim guard delivered is $28,500.