Carbon Dioxide

[Hay Dude]

France smarter than us?

Not a chance:

- France sold us most of the US via the Louisiana purchase. Not smart.

- France was occupied during WWII.

- France speaks French.

Nuff said.

MoKelly

But they did save our bee-hinds in the Revolutionary War.

 

[JethroB]

How many major nuclear additions or expansions have taken place in the US in the last 40 years? (Since Three Mile Island). Only one that I know of. Near Augusta GA by the Southern Co. It’s not so much NIMBY as the huge financial risk to build them. Cost overruns galore.

 

[Hay Dude]

How many major nuclear additions or expansions have taken place in the US in the last 40 years? (Since Three Mile Island). Only one that I know of. Near Augusta GA by the Southern Co. It’s not so much NIMBY as the huge financial risk to build them. Cost overruns galore.

Most U.S. nuclear power plants were built between 1970 and 1990 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Amazes me that with the focus now being on greenhouse gasses, that nuclear plants arent being built dozens at a time.
They ARE the solution, along with clean burning natural gas, which we have an enormous amount of.

 

[JethroB]

Most U.S. nuclear power plants were built between 1970 and 1990 - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)

www.eia.gov

Amazes me that with the focus now being on greenhouse gasses, that nuclear plants arent being built dozens at a time.
They ARE the solution, along with clean burning natural gas, which we have an enormous amount of.

I stand corrected. Thanks. In 25 years or so there are two expanded facilities. Two additional reactors at Watts Bar (TVA) and two near Augusta. The Fukushima Japan disaster was a big setback for nuclear too. Solar and wind can’t do it all. SO dividends are a portion of my retirement income.

 

[W7XYZ]

Amazes me that with the focus now being on greenhouse gasses, that nuclear plants aren't being built dozens at a time.
They ARE the solution, along with clean burning natural gas, which we have an enormous amount of.

Natural gas emits carbon dioxide. Aren't we trying to eliminate that?
The point of this is that natural gas isn't the great solution some think it is.

 

[Hay Dude]

It depends on how you classify carbon dioxide. Just because one former President says carbon dioxide emissions must be regulated doesn’t make it so.
Do you think natural gas must be eliminated along with coal and other FFs for us to have acceptable carbon dioxide levels?
Who knows how much is too much? You can post a scientific formula few can understand, but I don’t need to. What I do know is none of us would exist without fossil fuels. Maybe take some time to appreciate the life saving benefits they give. Maybe appreciate how many people are saved from certain death without fossil fuels to create electricity, cooling and heat, transportation, life saving drugs, jobs, plastics.
Some people never stop complaining about carbon emissions, no matter how much we reduce them. Yet they fly alone in jets and wouldn’t survive 2 days without them.

 

[CalG]

Funny.

Look at the revenues governments at many levels get from fuel taxes. It’s addictive to these folks.

Think about cigarettes and tobacco. How many people die in the USA from tobacco each year? About 500,000. Every year. Same as one year of COVID. Yet it’s still legal. Why? Look at the tobacco tax.

MoKelly

You might make note of proposals for a "milage tax" , They can't run a bloated central government without funding!

 

[MoKelly]

But they did save our bee-hinds in the Revolutionary War.

Yes they helped - but that put them in huge debt which resulted in the French Revolution. Whoops.

MoKelly

 

[CalG]

It depends on how you classify carbon dioxide. Just because one former President says carbon dioxide emissions must be regulated doesn’t make it so.
Do you think natural gas must be eliminated along with coal and other FFs for us to have acceptable carbon dioxide levels?
Who knows how much is too much? You can post a scientific formula few can understand, but I don’t need to. What I do know is none of us would exist without fossil fuels. Maybe take some time to appreciate the life saving benefits they give. Maybe appreciate how many people are saved from certain death without fossil fuels to create electricity, cooling and heat, transportation, life saving drugs, jobs, plastics.
Some people never stop complaining about carbon emissions, no matter how much we reduce them. Yet they fly alone in jets and wouldn’t survive 2 days without them.

That is 8th grade science formulas... IIRC. It's been a while ...but I enjoyed 8th grade. Some of the girls were a lot of fun.

 

[CalG]

I've got a "dead" nuke plant less than 4 miles from my home.

It's not an issue, but the operators weaseled out of the decommissioning funding and put the expense on us tax payers. (the wonders of big business).

Now it's on site wet storage of the hot stuff. Looking hard at dry cask. either way, it's a ticking time bomb for the next 5000 years. Longer really. But that's a perspective number.

We need to adopt the "Star Wars" technology and lauch the hot waste to the sun where it will do some good.

I hear the wildlife is returning to Chernobyl. Of course, foxes, beavers and deer only live 10 years in the best of environments.

 

[JethroB]

Here’s an eye opener. The US grows about 90 million acres of corn each year. About 40% goes to ethanol production, 36% for animal feed.

 

[ArlyA]

Here’s an eye opener. The US grows about 90 million acres of corn each year. About 40% goes to ethanol production, 36% for animal feed.

Why is this an eye opener?

 

[Hay Dude]

My guess is because although Ethanol is a fossil fuel, it’s also a renewable resource. Most people walking around staring at their hand held supercomputers all day probably think all fuel comes from “dinosaur bones” and corn is only for corn on the cob, but I don’t want to speak for my friend Jethro B.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Wow,

Who could have predicted this would turn into a poo-flinging monkey fit at the circus?

It's almost like there should be a forum rule about these kind of threads on TBN.

Oh wait, there is.

There are literally thousands of websites out there in AlGore's Internet where you guys can do this kind of stuff.

Move it there.

How about a moderator actually following the forum rules?

Or are you going to stealth mod THIS post too Moss?

 

[Hay Dude]

Seems like a healthy discussion since we all own tractors that emit/create carbon dioxide and other emission? Everyone seems calm, focused, but polite and kinda funny!

 

[ArlyA]

Here is the lake boat Paul R. Tregurtha departing Duluth, Minnesota after picking up a load of low sulfur coal, probably around 70,000 tons worth. The exhaust we see in the video is steam from its particulate scrubbers that boats are now required to have. These modifications help to keep our air and water cleaner and moving bulk cargo this way is also highly fuel efficient. The coal the Tregurtha carries is low sulfur and is heading to some power plant located on the lakes that also has particulate scrubbers. I'd call this all a move in the right direction. Not perfect, but still a good move.

 

[MoKelly]

My guess is because although Ethanol is a fossil fuel, it’s also a renewable resource. Most people walking around staring at their hand held supercomputers all day probably think all fuel comes from “dinosaur bones”, but I don’t want to speak for my friend Jethro B.

Ha!

I always thought fuel came from the gas station just like food comes from the grocery store.

I never knew my phone was a supercomputer. I only thought NASA could afford those!!

Real question - does ethanol come from feed corn or corn people eat? Or is it a different variety altogether?

I was surprised 40% of the corn harvest goes to ethanol. That is a huge market.

MoKelly

 

[JethroB]

Here’s an eye opener. The US grows about 90 million acres of corn each year. About 40% goes to ethanol production, 36% for animal feed.

Maybe I should have called it interesting information for those unfamiliar with how much corn and acreage goes into our gas tanks. Corn farmers love the 10% ethanol mandate while feed corn users (beef, pork, chicken, etc.) despise it. It’s all the same corn. The DDG byproduct of ethanol does get used as feed but it has low nutritional value. Some call it food for fuel.

 

[oldballs]

Personally I like a lively discussion......I feel like I can learn something from opposing views ....even if it has some political slant to it. So far, this seems like a worthwhile thread to me.

Cheers,
Mike

 

[ArlyA]

Maybe I should have called it interesting information for those unfamiliar with how much corn and acreage goes into our gas tanks. Corn farmers love the 10% ethanol mandate while feed corn users (beef, pork, chicken, etc.) despise it. It’s all the same corn. The DDG byproduct of ethanol does get used as feed but it has low nutritional value. Some call it food for fuel.

Adding a few % of grain ethanol reduces the pollution that our auto's make. I can't remember the details off hand right now. Ethanol production and animal feed takes up a large majority that's grown, so your box or corn flakes wouldn't go up because of it..

So we have a basic understanding the economy of farming. Lets say the price of corn, oats, wheat or barley goes up a dollar or even $2 and stays that way for a while. The next year X number of farmers will then plant more corn, oats, wheat or barley because that higher price makes it worth there risk.