Beginner welder recs

/ Beginner welder recs #1  

weesa20

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Hi All- i am interested in learning to weld- I have tried it a few times with my father who is a pretty good welder and have been around him for a lot of welding activities- unfortunately he is in another state and can't come by just to teach me to weld. I looked in to taking a class at the local tech school but they have a couple of math requisites that I could prob test out of (have a doctorate, masters, and bacherlor's degrees...) but really just want to learn the basics of welding- temp select, metal-welder compatabilites, and rod/wire selection, etc to do some basic welding around my house for my own personal projects. My dad recommended starting with Mig but I was thinking arc is actually easier- I had my garage wired for a welder so it ready to go- looking for thoughts on self teaching welding (not opposed to books, videos, etc) and recs for first welder- alot of my projects would require heavy steel (1/2" and less) which makes me think that arc would be the best for my purposes but not sure 225A is sufficient.

thanks for any thoughts

Weesy
 
/ Beginner welder recs #4  
I have a 35 year old Lincoln AC welder just like the one pictured. It works fine for me- just doing basic fabrication and repairs with rusty scrap with 6011 rods- but I hear that there are some things that you can do much better with DC.

You should be able to find an old tombstone welder (an old version of the lincoln in the ad you posted) for less than $100 on craigslist. Although lots of them have probably been torn apart and scrapped for the copper inside...

I am self taught and for the first 20 years I though it was all about maintaining the right distance- and for those 20 years, my welds have mostly looked like bird poo. Recently I have realized that it is all about the molten puddle and so now my welds are starting to look much better.
 
/ Beginner welder recs #5  
well I'm at it- thoughts on this Lincoln AC225 from NT? looks like a good deal for the $$$

Lincoln Electric AC-225 Arc Welder, Model# K1170 | Arc Welders | Northern Tool + Equipment

There's nothing wrong with the Lincoln AC-225, but as Erik pointed out, AC/DC is a better way to go. You have more choices for welding rods to use, and a smoother, better controlled arc. The price increase is indicative of how much better it is.

Incidentally, your Dad may be correct about starting with the MIG. I started with a Miller 135 MIG about 6 years ago, upgraded to a Miller 180 MIG (with spoolgun for aluminum), and picked up a well-used Century AC/DC stick machine 2 years ago. I think I've used the stick on the AC setting once, just to see what it was like.

I'd recommend getting either a 110v or 220v MIG to start with, and start looking for a good used stick machine for heavier materials.

Up to 1/2 inch material, the 230/140 amp AC/DC welder I have will do just fine. Duty cycle isn't so much of an issue for most of us that don't weld for a living. After all the projects I've built using my welders, none have ever exceeded the duty cycle and shut down. The 135 was 20%, the 180 is 30%, and the stick varies depending on the setting, but it's comparable to the other two.

You don't need 70% duty cycles and 300+ amps, contrary to popular TBN belief. It's easy to spend somebody else's money here.

My reasons for starting with the MIG are simple, being that they are EASY to weld with... a monkey can run a decent bead using a MIG, at least I can..

Once you have the hang of watching the puddle to control the weld, you can easily adapt that basic knowledge to using a stick, which adds the complication of maintaining arc length and moving the holder as the rod gets shorter.

A MIG will easily weld thin materials, like body metal and chainsaw mufflers. The stick will look after heavy stuff from about 1/8 inch and up. I use both in a typical fabrication job, quite often things get tacked with the MIG, then finished with the stick. Or if I get lazy the MIG does the whole job.

Repair work is the real forte of the stick, you can weld rusty, dirty metal with the right rods, and wind isn't an issue either. The MIG is better suited to shop work on new material, although flux core wire can be used for most applications if you want.

As the thread develops more, you'll see how opinionated people are about their welding preferences. It's like asking which is better, John Deere or Kubota..:laughing:

Sean
 
/ Beginner welder recs #6  
Get yourself an decent AC/DC stick welder, 220 VAC (mine is a Hobart Stickmate LX, about $400 at Tractor Supply). If you don't know much about welders, I'd stay away from used units unless you have someone who knows how to do a checkout.

I recommend the videos from Wall Mountain to learn welding

Instructional Welding Videos

Get yourself a decent autodarkening helmet (mine is a $60 from Northern Tool). I wear UV400 rated motorcycle goggles under the helmet to prevent stray ultraviolet light from getting to my corneas.

Start with an easy rod --1/8" 7014 drag rod-- and practice making horizontal welds until you can run a decent bead (depending on your proficiency you may have to burn a few hundred rods to get the knack of it). Weld with two hands and take your time while running the bead. The drag rod "automatically" sets the right arc gap when you angle it at 30 deg or so from vertical and drag the rod along the weld seam. Once you have enough practice with 7014, you can try the more difficult rods like 6011, 7018, etc.

Good luck
 
/ Beginner welder recs #7  
As the thread develops more, you'll see how opinionated people are about their welding preferences. It's like asking which is better, John Deere or Kubota

Boy Sean got that right, everyone has an opinion about welders, but I will say this, I have that Lincoln 225 and it doesn't owe me a dime, I got a lot of good out of it, but a DC machine is the way to go if you want to learn stick. I would sell my AC225 for a lot less than that "sale price" I have the Everlast PA160 DC only inverter rig. I hate to see you spend your money on an new AC only rig when a good used AC/DC rig or a new DC only imported rig is about the same money, and will give better results. Guys that are good at welding can make good welds with AC machines, but a noob will have a harder learning curve vs. using DC. Also seriously consider getting an autodarkening helmet. It makes a big positive difference. Ok now you have heard my opinion. Good luck

James K0UA
 
/ Beginner welder recs #8  
I have a Hobart 135 Handler. It's a 110 volt MIG. I have no training and simply read the instructions and practiced a few welds before I started actually assembling stuff. I've built a stand for a meet grinder, a jack/stand for my ZTR, a wood rack, an over-engineered target holder, and some deer feeders.

Colt made men equal with the Peacemaker but the MIG makes the unskilled look competent. I have access to more capable gear but I really enjoy welding in my garage at home.
 

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/ Beginner welder recs #9  
Get yourself a decent autodarkening helmet..

Great advice! It's hard to describe how much easier the auto-dark helmet makes welding in general, and stick welding in particular. The pro's do fine without them, but they weld all day, every day in some cases.

Start with an easy rod --1/8" 7014 drag rod--

Again, excellent advice.. I might recommend 3/32 rods for thinner material, but 1/8 is a great size for 1/4 to 1/2 inch material in my experience. 7014 is a very easy rod to weld with.

Chilly
 
/ Beginner welder recs #10  
It's not likely but if there is a Tech Shop near you I HIGHLY recommend it. You can work with every type of welding that exists and find what works for you personally. I just wish there were more of them out there.

http://techshop.ws/locations.html
 
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/ Beginner welder recs #12  
The video that came with my Lincoln mig was very informative. Also there are several manufacturer's sites that also have instructions.

Pay attention to the safety issues in addition to the welding issues if you are using scrap of unknown origin.
 
/ Beginner welder recs #13  
Shield Arc said:
The problem with that Lincoln 225 AC is how limited it is. Limited by what types of rod you can run, limited to only one process. For $60.00 more you can get a 200-amp DC machine, and for roughly $200.00 you could have a fine Tig welder, (DC only).
Once you go DC, you won't go back to AC, except for Tig welding aluminum.;)

PowerARC 200 - Spot Welders, Plasma Cutters, Arc Welders, Spool Guns, Torches, 225 Welder

X2.

I decided to learn how to weld and have taken adult ed courses at the local tech high school. You can learn quite a bit about welding from books and YouTube but it REALY helps to have a systematic introduction to both theory and practice with an instructor.

Based on what I have learned I would recommend getting an oxyfuel set up to learn with. Nothing is better for learning how to work the puddle IMO. I would say that MIG is the worst way to start as it is so fast and the puddle can be harder to see and control for a quality weld. Of course if you are just welding sculptures or non critical welds then a MIG will work but self taught MIG scares me for any weld you need to rely on. Stick is cheap and useful so that would be my second purchase. 150 amps dc will do most everything you need unless you are building a tank or working regularly with >1/2 inch. TIG is fun and similar to oxyfuel in terms of control. Most dc machines now have a tig feature you can add to do steel, copper etc (not aluminum that costs $$).
 
/ Beginner welder recs #14  
Hi All- i am interested in learning to weld- I have tried it a few times with my father who is a pretty good welder and have been around him for a lot of welding activities- unfortunately he is in another state and can't come by just to teach me to weld. I looked in to taking a class at the local tech school but they have a couple of math requisites that I could prob test out of (have a doctorate, masters, and bacherlor's degrees...) but really just want to learn the basics of welding- temp select, metal-welder compatabilites, and rod/wire selection, etc to do some basic welding around my house for my own personal projects. My dad recommended starting with Mig but I was thinking arc is actually easier- I had my garage wired for a welder so it ready to go- looking for thoughts on self teaching welding (not opposed to books, videos, etc) and recs for first welder- alot of my projects would require heavy steel (1/2" and less) which makes me think that arc would be the best for my purposes but not sure 225A is sufficient.

thanks for any thoughts

Weesy

here are some thoughts.

motorbooks puts out a basic 'how to weld' book.

it helps to have had a lil hands on experience either from a friend or family member.. school experience.. etc.

past that.. it's not too hard to buy one, read the manual and some books / ebooks, get some rod.. and practice.

I have a hobart 235xl AC model. they make a model that has some dc capabilities too.

had money nit been tighter when i bought, I'd have got that one.. either way.. there have been lots of things welded with economy arc welders in the past.

those red tombston 225a jobs are just about the most prolific out there... usually had cheap at yard sales / craigslist.

foe other economy welders.. you can even get the 150$ 200a jobs from northern.. but.. I don't know anyone who has tried one.

I know I've welde dmany things on a lincoln tombstone and my hobart... good basic welders for a farm / hobby user.

one of my first real tasks for my hobart was some 1/2" welding to glue a wing back on my batwing mower. that was years ago.. wing still there.

have fun , be safe and good luck.

lotsa rod choices out there.. lotsa machines.. form 100$ on up to $infinity$ apparrently.

I tell ya. I use mainly 6011 and 6013 and some special cast iron application rods. .. most of my stuff is 1/8 though 3/32 gets a lil use. I have used some 7018 or 7014 ac can't remember which, when the aplication called for it.. but 1/8 6011 is my steady diet. have a lil toy CH welder that uses 1/16 and 5/64 rods for sheetmetal..

soundguy
 
/ Beginner welder recs #15  
Once you go DC, you won't go back to AC,

We have a machine with DC capability at work. I've welded a very HD set of ramps for my deckover trailer a long while back... used DC


still use ac at home.

soundguy
 
/ Beginner welder recs #16  
150 amps dc will do most everything you need unless you are building a tank or working regularly with >1/2 inch.

I have absolutely no concerns at all welding 1/2 inch or even 2 inch thick mild steel with my Everlast PowerArc 200.:D
 
/ Beginner welder recs #17  
Get DC.

I have a Miller Thunderbolt ACDC. Great stick welder and it'll do most anything a non-pro will ever come across. Its a cheap, DURABLE powersource. There are plenty of 30+ year old thunderbolts and tombstones still in regular use.

As mentioned, the first process i learned was Oxy/ace. Its a great way to get the fundamentals of controlling your heat and watching your puddle.

Id avoid Mig as a first machine, just because of the "glue gun" theory. Until you know the fundamentals, it can be difficult to ensure a sound weld with mig. Mig was the last process we learned. Not to mention the issue that a "proper" sized mig to weld typical farm type steel is way more money than what a stick machine will cost.
 
/ Beginner welder recs #18  
I bought the PA200. I like it a lot, infinitely adjustable amperage instead of set steps. I bought some 1/16" 7014 rod to play with a couple days ago and was messing around today with some 1/8" scrap. My skill level is pretty low, but eh, it's fun.
 
/ Beginner welder recs #19  
The Powerarc 200 looks interesting and very reasonable. Any negatives an who are dealers?

I'm getting by with an old Lincoln AC225 and would like to upgrade w/ a DC unit. Learned stick welding as a HS freshman (Moses was in my class) so I'm okay with that.
 

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