ATV advice

/ ATV advice #61  
I wish my Kubota RTV900 had a shorter turning radius, how do the 6x6 units do in tight spaces.
Even my Polaris 4x2 doesn’t do well at times.
I've not operated a RTV900 so its kind of hard for me to compare. Our 6x6 is one axle longer than a atv but we do use it on more narrow of trails. Sorry I can't give more specific of an answer.... :rolleyes:
 
/ ATV advice #62  
I wish my Kubota RTV900 had a shorter turning radius, how do the 6x6 units do in tight spaces.
Even my Polaris 4x2 doesn’t do well at times.
Do your units have the locked rear axle? I find that's what causes so many UTVs and ATVs to not have a good turning radius. With the rear tires having to turn at the same speed they tend to plow straight ahead. The rear diff in my Can-am Defender has a switchable locker; I run the diff as an open unit most of the time because that will allow it to turn on a dime. But the only ATV I've seen with a switchable rear diff was one model of Kawasaki. If I want my Yamaha Kodiak to turn sharp I have to lean hard opposite the turn to get the weight off the inside rear wheel so it can spin.
 
/ ATV advice #63  
Do your units have the locked rear axle? I find that's what causes so many UTVs and ATVs to not have a good turning radius. With the rear tires having to turn at the same speed they tend to plow straight ahead. The rear diff in my Can-am Defender has a switchable locker; I run the diff as an open unit most of the time because that will allow it to turn on a dime. But the only ATV I've seen with a switchable rear diff was one model of Kawasaki. If I want my Yamaha Kodiak to turn sharp I have to lean hard opposite the turn to get the weight off the inside rear wheel so it can spin.
To the best of my knowledge, I've never seen or certainly used, an ATV or UTV with a solid or locked rear axle.
Which model and makes have that? I have used a Yamaha Kodiak which does come with differential rear and front axles. Do you have an dated machine?
 
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/ ATV advice #64  
I'd go with a Honda or maybe a Honda. If you cant find one of those, look for a Honda. Kawasaki 4 wheelers get 6mpg. Honda went all in and their stuff is good. I work on them all. Yamaha, still is not a Honda. I'm really not pro Honda but you are asking advice and I'm giving the best I can give. I worked as mechanic for a Polaris dealer and they are sorta okay just like the other non Honda brands. The prices arent that different. So why not settle it and get a Honda? We have a Yamaha rhino and three Hondas on the farm. Never been off the farm. No trail riding and such. One of the best things we ever did was get my mother a golf cart. Saves her knees. She's over 70 and will plow with a tractor.
 
/ ATV advice #65  
Speaking from experience, we're not getting a mini Asian truck.
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The problem most folks who get into the Japanese minitrucks, is that most of the folks buying them havn’t ever worked on anything. Not even tuned up a lawn mower.

So, maintaining a three cylinder gas engine with points, and very complex carburetor/emissions systems is bit much for a learning experience.

Add to that they have no idea of how suspensions work, and they start putting 4-inch lifts on them. if you understand how things work, and don’t do stupid things they work well. There are a few guys on a minitruck forum I frequent who know what they are doing, and a whole bunch who don’t have much of a clue, or any real aptitude.

Most of the Japanese rigs are very well thought out, and the engineering is on a par with whatever major maker is their sister company. My Hijet, shows a marked influence of the Toyota sister company. And, Daihatsu, made a lot of the engines we in North America, associate with Toyota‘s efficient durable engines.

The Chinese versions: Yes no way.
 
/ ATV advice #66  
To the best of my knowledge, I've never seen or certainly used, an ATV or UTV with a solid or locked rear axle.
Which model and makes have that?
Most without some kind of turf mode are locked.
Over the years I have owned a 1978 Honda ATC 110, 1980 Honda FL 250 Odyssey, 1987 Honda TRX 250r (all had solid rear axles, so they were locked.)
My 2005 Kawasaki Brute Force 750 and current Polaris RZR 900s, both had rear diffs, but neither had any kind of turf mode, so they are always locked.
 
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/ ATV advice #67  
I've had my 2009 Suzuki KingQuad 500 Powersteering, worn out two plows with it. 400hours and 4k miles, then a windstorm came and flattend my carport and atv. Bought a new 2020 Suzuki Kingquad 750, dead realiable ATV's.
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/ ATV advice #68  
My 2005 Kawasaki Brute Force 750 and current Polaris RZR 900s, both had rear diffs, but neither had any kind of turf mode, so they are always locked.
No rear differentials on Kawasaki ATVs anymore. The old Bayou 2WDs had them, and the Police trike did (for service on pavement).

The RZR is a UTV (SXS) for sporty use, so locked rear end is preferred. Most UTV brands now have a rear differential (with locker) offered, I think on only utility models.

Only currently-offered ATV I am aware of with rear diff is Polaris Sportsman with Turf Mode option.

If in doubt, look at the parts pictures.
 
/ ATV advice #69  
To the best of my knowledge, I've never seen or certainly used, an ATV or UTV with a solid or locked rear axle.
Which model and makes have that? I have used a Yamaha Kodiak which does come with differential rear and front axles. Do you have an dated machine?
No Yamaha ATV that I know of has a rear differential that is unlocked. There is a differential, yes, but it is permanently locked so both rear wheels have to turn at the same speed all the time. Same with most UTVs, especially the "sporty" ones. Some of the Utility UTVs have, as stated above, "Turf Mode" to let you unlock the rear diff to enable it to turn sharper and to keep from tearing up turf.
 
/ ATV advice #70  
There is a differential, yes, but it is permanently locked so both rear wheels have to turn at the same speed all the time.
A differential is a gearbox that allows 2 wheels to spin at different speeds. If the the 2 rear wheels spin at the same speed all the time, you have a fixed "final drive", not a differential. It is a fixed final drive gearbox (pumpkin) whether you have independent suspension with 2 half-shafts, or a "solid" rear axle (non-IRS).

No Yamaha ATV has had a rear diff that I know of, including my old Kodiak. Not even the Terra Pro.
 
/ ATV advice #71  
A differential is a gearbox that allows 2 wheels to spin at different speeds. If the the 2 rear wheels spin at the same speed all the time, you have a fixed "final drive", not a differential. It is a fixed final drive gearbox (pumpkin) whether you have independent suspension with 2 half-shafts, or a "solid" rear axle (non-IRS).

No Yamaha ATV has had a rear diff that I know of, including my old Kodiak. Not even the Terra Pro.
OK, fine. Fixed final drive
Me and deserteagle call it a differential and you don't, but we are saying the same thing
 
/ ATV advice #72  
OK, fine. Fixed final drive
Me and deserteagle call it a differential and you don't, but we are saying the same thing
It is an important difference. 4x4 ATVs have a differential in front (limited-slip), and a simple ring-and-pinion final drive in the back. Finding one with a differential in the back is difficult, as well as buying used final drives on eBay as many folks use the wrong term.

Early UTV (SxS) products for off-road utility use rarely had rear differentials. Now, most offer them, sometimes only as an option. Since UTVs evolved from golf carts, rear diffs were necessary and common, since they were often driven on pavement, had only 2WD, and needed to avoid turf damage on golf courses.

The cheapest way to make a UTV for off-road use that maximizes traction is 2WD with fixed final drive. 4x4 and rear lockable diff are way better, but cost a lot more to make.
 
/ ATV advice #73  
It is an important difference. 4x4 ATVs have a differential in front (limited-slip), and a simple ring-and-pinion final drive in the back. Finding one with a differential in the back is difficult, as well as buying used final drives on eBay as many folks use the wrong term.
I don’t know for all 4x4 ATVs but am not aware of any with a limited slip front. Am not aware of any limited slip on the front of cars or trucks. The outer tire must turn much more than the inner.

Advanced automobiles will use the ABS system to selectively brake the fast wheel, with intelligence from the steering sensor to know when not to. A form of limited-slip, perhaps better than one implemented in differential.

Agree my 2WD Honda Recon has a locked rear end. Tires must slide to turn.
 
/ ATV advice #74  
I can't comment on most machines but the yamaha's we ran had limited slip. When you got stuck, they'd all spin. They also had a rear lock, but we never used it. Seems the can-am Defender had a similar setup. This is a grizzly seen below. Good machines but under powered for our needs..
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/ ATV advice #75  
I can't comment on most machines but the yamaha's we ran had limited slip. When you got stuck, they'd all spin. They also had a rear lock, but we never used it. Seems the can-am Defender had a similar setup. This is a grizzly seen below. Good machines but under powered for our needs..

Correct. My Defender has what Bombardier calls a "Visco-lok" limited slip in the front. Works pretty well but the guys who really put the Defender through hell (mudding, rock climbing, etc.) change them out for a true mechanical locker.
 
/ ATV advice #76  
We did get our defender stuck. Top photo is a "ops!" by me. The company was happy enough with it after 5 years, they got another. We do work them hard and had no grief with its CV drive*.. Another good machine. In the bottom photo, the snow was nearly three feet deep.

*changed the drive belt yearly.

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/ ATV advice #77  
I don’t know for all 4x4 ATVs but am not aware of any with a limited slip front.
Well, don't take my word for it. Go look at the parts diagrams, which are free on the internet. I doubt that any 4x4 ATV does not have limited-slip diff in the front. They rarely fail, so most folks will never see the actual mechanism.

This LSD photo is from a Can-Am Outlander 400 4x4. Spider gears not shown.
 

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/ ATV advice #78  
Well, don't take my word for it. Go look at the parts diagrams, which are free on the internet. I doubt that any 4x4 ATV does not have limited-slip diff in the front. They rarely fail, so most folks will never see the actual mechanism.

This LSD photo is from a Can-Am Outlander 400 4x4. Spider gears not shown.
Yamaha Grizzly 700 doesn't. It's open or locked (Electronically via handlebar switch). I actually think most are this way unless there is no switch to engage the locker.
 
/ ATV advice #79  
No Yamaha ATV has had a rear diff that I know of, including my old Kodiak. Not even the Terra Pro.
The Terrapro did have a rear differential that you could unlock for finish mowing yards. Here is a video of a guy working on one and testing the feature.

 
/ ATV advice #80  
The Terrapro did have a rear differential that you could unlock for finish mowing yards.
My mistake. Part # 28 on the parts diagram for "final drive". The Yamaha TerraPro YFP350 was a unique and rare 2WD ATV made in the late 80s. Most unusual was its PTO. (And rear diff.)

Never seen one personally.
 

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