A windpower first

[Hay Dude]

Lol.

Translated: he cant.
I got to stand next to one of these and the noise and visual pollution is considerable.
Theres the noise, the bird kills and fact that so much of the windmill is built offshore using foreign labor and fossil fuels tells me they‘re not the answer, they‘re just the answer being forced on us.

 

[dodge man]

I have posted before I worked on a wind farm 60 turbines, about a year before I retired. I did survey work and did a lot of construction layout. Just me driving a pickup burned hundred of gallons of gas. A mind boggling amount of materials were delivered and installed. All this burning thousands of gallons of gas and diesel.

My point is how long does it take for all this fossil being expended building a wind farm before it balances out? I tried to find this information but couldn’t and of course it varies by location.

Im not saying wind farms are bad or good, I just wonder what the net gain is on fossil fuels being expended is.

 

[sea2summit]

I have posted before I worked on a wind farm 60 turbines, about a year before I retired. I did survey work and did a lot of construction layout. Just me driving a pickup burned hundred of gallons of gas. A mind boggling amount of materials were delivered and installed. All this burning thousands of gallons of gas and diesel.

My point is how long does it take for all this fossil being expended building a wind farm before it balances out? I tried to find this information but couldn’t and of course it varies by location.

Im not saying wind farms are bad or good, I just wonder what the net gain is on fossil fuels being expended is.

I think wind and solar both suffer significantly from the short lifespan of efficient production.

 

[sea2summit]

Translated: he cant.
I got to stand next to one of these and the noise and visual pollution is considerable.
Theres the noise, the bird kills and fact that so much of the windmill is built offshore using foreign labor and fossil fuels tells me they‘re not the answer, they‘re just the answer being forced on us.

The talking points are always “overall windows kill more birds” never per megawatts produced when they fact check.

 

[Bill Guenthner]

Even the French aren’t aren’t afraid to use nuclear power , so why are we? Modern nuke plants are safe and efficient and disposing of the waste is trivial, bury it in a deep hole in the desert. A square mile of desert could hold a thousand years of nuclear power plant waste. All of our aircraft carriers and most (all?) of our submarine fleet is nuclear. The tech is solid.

 

[Egon]

Bird kills:

Threats to Birds | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service

What Are the Threats to Birds?

www.fws.gov

 

[sea2summit]

Bird kills:

Threats to Birds | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service

What Are the Threats to Birds?

www.fws.gov

Boy, that list is fully inclusive and not slanted in any way is it? Someone should be fired for posting or accepting that data in that way.

 

[MossRoad]

Bird kills:

Threats to Birds | U.S. Fish & Wildlife Service

What Are the Threats to Birds?

www.fws.gov

Geeze, it's the cats!


(thanks for the link)

 

[Diggin It]

Please post your scholarly source for that claim.

This list is almost 10 years old, so there may be some changes ....

Solar: Anywhere from about 1,000 birds a year, according to BrightSource, to 28,000 birds a year, according to an expert at the Center for Biological Diversity.

Wind: Between 140,000 and 328,000 birds a year in the contiguous United States, according to a December 2013 study published in the journal Biological Conservation. Taller turbines tend to take out more birds.

Oil and Gas: An estimated 500,000 to 1 million birds a year are killed in oil fields, the Bureau of Land Management said in a December 2012 memo.
[DATA MINE: Natural Gas to See Biggest Gains in Coal Country]

Coal: Huge numbers of birds, roughly 7.9 million, may be killed by coal, according to analysis by Benjamin K. Sovacool, director of the Danish Center for Energy Technologies. His estimate, however, included everything from mining to production and climate change, which together amounted to about five birds per gigawatt-hour of energy generated by coal.

Nuclear: About 330,000 birds, by Sovacool’s calculations.

https://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/data-mine/2014/08/22/pecking-order-energys-toll-on-birds