Blah, blah, blah, whatever. You aren't driving the Oshkosh on the E-way at 70 per in traffic anyway so go back to the reality real life. I'd much rather be in a collision in the Suburban or the F350 than a tinfoil, no frame Sport Bronco 2, which is a redressed sheet metal Ford Escape AWD.
I don't really care what anyone drives (again, you ain't driving an Oshkosh on the E-Way at 70 per or faster in traffic anyway) If we were to ever purchase a new Ford Bronco it would be the new full size (full frame) model and we have looked at them before (remember we are a Ford UAW family so we not only get employee pricing, but we get access to Fords production line test vehicles (which is exactly how I bought my loaded diesel F350 btw). Having said that, my wife preferred the 1500 Suburban LTZ, all wheel drive and it's her money, not mine and she bought it, not me and the dealer she bought it from, Allen Chevrolet-GMC in Monroe, Michigan, allowed her the same employee discount that GM employees get plus some extra when she bought it as loaded Burbs today are well in the excess of 100 grand. She even got free service for the life of the vehicle (including GM parts) so long as she owns it and she tells me they have killer doughnuts and coffee in the customer waiting room so it was a done deal and she didn't finance one cent either. Was a CASH deal.
Don't really care about your crash tests or crumple zone crap one bit. Bottom line is, bulk and a full frame always wins out over tinfoil and no frame in a real world crash. Newton proved long ago that a body in motion stays in motion until stopped by an immovable object which in our case is the Burb or the F350 pickup truck, both of which have full ladder frames and the bulk to arrest that motion. Plain and simple.
Sure I also own a Ford Focus RS turbo hatch back and when I drive it, I drive it always aware that it can and will be a coffin if I get hit by another vehicle so when I do drive it, I'm always aware of that fact. I bought it for the fun factor and it's a super car is sheep's clothing and nothing more. It will handily put away a 5.0 Mustang in a drag race any time and the 0 tp whatever speed you want to get to is fantastic, I can top 120+ on any freeway on ramp if I so desire and it's paid for as well. Matter of fact, I paid cash for it as well.
We don't finance anything other than farm equipment and only that because the equipment as well as the finance charges are a 100% business write off. That also applies to my rental properties.
Where we stand and where we will ALWAYS stand. and nothing will ever change that. I don't care what fuel costs, its not material to us one iota and same applies to every component needed for scheduled services. No one touches the Burb but the dealer and same applies to my F350. Only the Ford dealer where I purchased it from, Brondes Ford in Maumee, Ohio services it. I do the service on the Focus myself which is infrequent because I don't motor it much. It's a 'for fun' vehicle.
Your dissertations concerning crash worthiness falls on deaf ears with me. I already know what bulk weight does in a crash. I drove a Michigan 11 axle steel hauler for a private concern for 25 years before retirement and I know that an 11 axle 171 gross (loaded) truck can withstand in any crash concerning PI. I was the safety and compliance officer the last 2 years before retirement and I got to see many accidents and the vehicles that were involved in those crashes always were on the loosing side. All comes back to Newton's law of physics, a body in motion, tends to stay in motion unless arrested by an object of more mass. Your crash test data means little to nothing to me. besides, that isn't real world accidents, those are controlled crash tests in a lavatory, oops, I mean labatory under controlled conditions, none of which apply in the real world.
Have a nice day, I'm done with this thread. I stated my position and it don't change one iota.
