MF 1835M loader support collapsed on tractor

[LouNY]

I don’t see a tank or return in the diagram. But there must be somewhere.

Diagram is a little dark and vague but it looks like the loader and curl lines are connected to the relief at all times.

Yes that's a relief valve, but that's a self leveling loader with a mechanical linkage. You need that relief valve because under certain conditions the mechanical linkage can't push or pull the bucket any further so something has to give, in this case, pushes fluid through the relief valve from the curl cylinders to the lift cylinders.

As ptsg has said it is a relief from the curl extend to the lift port of the main cylinders. It will prevent binding from the MSL or extreme back blading by relieving into the lift cylinder.
The Tank or return is from the valves. There is no return to tank from that relief.

 

[Jstpssng]

I guess he should have purchased [a Yanmar].

Only if he couldn't afford a Kabota.

I hope that the OP keeps us updated on what happens. He didn't say how old the tractor is but they only started making them in 2020 so it is still a new tractor, at least by my standards.

This wouldn't make me think twice about buying a Massey if I was looking. How they handle it however might change that.

 

[Peter 315]

Maybe full buckets of dirt going fast on rough terrain did it in.

 

[Paystar]

Even if it was abused somehow....anyhow........that happening in 140 hours is truly pathetic.

 

[Paystar]

And I sure ain't going to judge the OP. Like in my last post about that new new blade snapping off my loader.....I was on flat ground went to plow first pass of snow, never hit anything and the blade flopped off. Naturally everyone was looking at me like "what did you do you dummy?"
Until our welders showed us all the poor factory welds.

 

[CalG]

Even if it was abused somehow....anyhow........that happening in 140 hours is truly pathetic.

Pounds are pounds, tons are tons

Regardless of hours.

Abuse is easily measured if there is a scale handy.

Ask me, I broke the front axle casting on my little Hurlimann not long ago,

And I swear, I was not abusing it!

 

[oneal hicks]

May be some design problems but, the steel was sub standard to rip apart like it did. Looks as though the welds were good, they never failed, One side has been breaking for a while you can see this by the rust in the old crack and the shine on the new rip apart. Maybe substandard steel in my metal working years we often seen in foreign made steel voids inside steel plates ( you could not see those until you cut into them ) what a pain to work with. Is that voids around the subframe sticker?
At any rate the design should be rated far above the lifting capacity of the Hydralics.

 

[Yander]

If Massey were smart they would immediately ask you for that loader and give you a new one. That's a big time safety issue and one that they're going to want to understand why it happened.

I owned a Massey that I sold and we currently own one and they make a good product.

Manufacturing defects happen in every make model of everything manufacturered.

 

[duke7595]

No excuse for a tractor with so few hours to fall apart. I stick with Older John Deeres, don't have these problems and NO computers.

 

[WranglerX]

I would bet the was a weld failure on back side of tube (horizontal) where we can not see..... This allowed all the strain of FEL on back side of vertical tube.... Also bet it was a robot weld with poor preparation because it appears there was no penetration....

 

[etpm]

You get what you pay for.

Why did you post what you did? How did it help? Do you know what the OP paid for the loader?
Eric

 

[beenthere]

Was moving dirt today when all of the sudden my loader started going down all by itself. This was crazy looking. You can see in the photos that the loader sub frame View attachment 802798 gave way on both sides. It appears to be either bad welds or cheap metal. Either way, it’s nuts that it would do this with only 140 hours on it.

Have seen similar failure happen when transporting a bucket load at a fast speed over long distances, and bouncing along while stressing the steel frame as well as the weldments.
No clue if this may have taken place but seeing the construction area in the background may be an indication that this little tractor was not the right tool for a landscaping crew.
Not built to take the place of a skid steer. Good luck with some warranty fix.

 

[paulsharvey]

It sucks, but even if it isn't a warranty issue, (without spending too much effort, seems like it's 2 year warranty, idk) once everything is off the tractor; remove the supports that broke and stayed on; clean/inspect/reweld/repaint or find the cost od just that support from Agco. I wouldn't go spending thousands on brand new parts, if not covered by the warranty. MF is 2 years/6 years; right?

 

[Doz]

Sounds like a dealer problem with a 140 hours on it good thing nobody got hurt!

 

[Paystar]

Have seen similar failure happen when transporting a bucket load at a fast speed over long distances, and bouncing along while stressing the steel frame as well as the weldments.
No clue if this may have taken place but seeing the construction area in the background may be an indication that this little tractor was not the right tool for a landscaping crew.
Not built to take the place of a skid steer. Good luck with some warranty fix.

So I'm not saying Kubota is any better, but I have made 1 mile of bush road up two very steep hills on my property. I did it by hauling one bucket a time with my 2013 B2620. 330 tonnes of pit run and crushed 7/8's gravel. Bouncing back and forth for several days. I have yet to have a single failure with that machine or loader.

So me, I would EXPECT a tractor as big as the OP's to be overbuilt enough to withstand at least a little bit of abuse in 140 hours.
I would also expect to have front axle or seal problems before it ever got to the point of the loader SNAPPING OFF!

 

[ptsg]

For those that seem to believe that Kubota never breaks, well, Kubota loader mounts break too.

Broken Mount For LA724

I was using the backhoe and moved the rear of the tractor over to reposition it when I heard a loud snap.I got on the tractor to use the FEL and noticed it was lopsided,looked down and saw the bracket broke clean in two.After going back to the garage I was able to get the loader off.I called the...

www.tractorbynet.com

 

[Paystar]

This is the first Massey Ferguson I have seen fail like that.

I have recently just seen a couple posts of the new B2601 backhoes breaking off.

Must be all that good steel the $6000 price increases were needed for, LOL

 

[Rustyiron]

I wouldn't trust those anymore even if welded, personally.. I would, however, be temped to reinforce any replacements.

I agree but from the limited pictures, I think it's a very poor design fault. The entire load appears to be transferred to that 4"x4" sq tube that's at a extreme mechanical disadvantage from what's essentially a difficult highly leveraged rotational load.
Clearly under sized for these loads to be transferred to such a small cross section.
I'd look around for a group or forum of model specific "talk" to investigate others experiences with this tractor/loader .

 

[Paystar]

The one good thing about it, is at least it did not damage the tractor body or take out the windshield. (or the operator!)

 

[tacticalturnip]

No excuse for a tractor with so few hours to fall apart. I stick with Older John Deeres, don't have these problems and NO computers.

To be fair, old machines that may have failed like this did it long ago, they're not just falling apart 40 years later.