Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds

/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #201  
This turns my stomach. In life I have learned the hard way not to buy things that you push to their limit. Don’t save a few bucks. I was tired of blown out tires and worn bearings on lighter rated trailer. Now this. I will never haul 26000 pounds. But because I can it is illegal…. If I did haul over 26000 give me a ticket, I did it…
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #202  
Your analogy is pretty good. It is like getting a ticket for DUI coming out of the liquor store with a bottle. Because you can is not what our laws are about…
I think I should flag down the next state trooper and ask him to issue me a speeding ticket too. Because my car certainly "can" go over the limit
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #203  
The officer smells beer on my breath and I blow under the legal limit. Will I get a ticket for dui? He says no.
Not to put too fine a point on it but he should have said “maybe”. If you were “impaired” due to the alcohol consumed then, in most places, you would have been arrested for dui/dwi. The breath/blood test “limit” is only the presumptive limit. The officers opinion and some articulable reasons as to why you were impaired would be sufficient to charge you even if you were under the presumptive limit of BAC.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #204  
Not everyone has a "buddy" that has a big rig.....

But thats not the point. Why should I be mandated to be trained and tested to drive a "big rig" when all I want to do is haul some small equipment on a trailer behind a p/u
I don’t know why you put the word buddy in quotation marks. Is that some kind of strange word or something? Should I have said “comrade”?
The reason you are mandated is because once they grant you the license, you might change your mind sometime later and decide that you want to drive a big rig. You can’t qualify for a license for a “big rig” just because you want to drive a “small rig”.

Just because you want to drive a duallie with a 14K trailer doesn’t mean you will only and always ever drive a truck that small.

They are obviously covering themselves with a one-size fits all license system.

I don’t like it either, but government bureaucracies have the “deal with it” attitude.
 
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/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #205  
Doesn’t work that way anymore. As of 2/1/2022 it is a federal requirement to get training from a certified training company. I called several yesterday. I said “I am sure that I have been driving my pickup and trailer longer than the instructor”. Doesn’t matter. 1 place said that since I have to pay it make no sense no to just get a restricted class A. There is no difference in training requirement. So just spend the few extra dollars and use their semi and get the full class a. $4800 and 4 weeks of class…

Was not aware of that.
Another way to get rid of small, independent truckers.

I guess they figure anyone who drives a truck works for someone who will pay for the 4 week training course.

Still probably worth it if you drive a truck and it makes you money
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #206  
Nope not anymore. I think we’ll see what they are going to do about literally millions and millions of overweight violations that are on the road every day. Every local horse show, every county fair, a cop could sit by the diesel pump in my town and write a ticket without moving all day long. I see people pulling dual 7k axle bumper pull trailers all day. Every one of them on a 1 ton is a violation.
I see those pulled over all day long. It’s a source of revenue for them.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #207  
If they want a one size fits all license.....

And since there is no difference in the eyes of the law....

I should absolutely be able to take a test in a pick up and 14k trailer, and then hop in a big rig no problem.

If the govt has a problem with that.....and me taking a test with a pickup and trailer isn't good enough for a big rig.....then CLEARLY they should not require the same class of license
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #208  
If they want a one size fits all license.....

And since there is no difference in the eyes of the law....

I should absolutely be able to take a test in a pick up and 14k trailer, and then hop in a big rig no problem.

If the govt has a problem with that.....and me taking a test with a pickup and trailer isn't good enough for a big rig.....then CLEARLY they should not require the same class of license

You can take a CDL in a pickup. At least you could before they changed the law in February 2022. The problem is you don’t have an air brake endorsement if you take the CDL in a pickup. You probably don’t have a 5th wheel endorsement either but I’m not 100 percent sure on that. You also don’t have to take the air brake section of the written test if you’re doing it in a pickup. The bottom line is CDL is a wide category. It’s definitely not one size fits all. Getting a CDL wasn’t a big deal prior to them changing the law either.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #209  
If they want a one size fits all license.....

And since there is no difference in the eyes of the law....

I should absolutely be able to take a test in a pick up and 14k trailer, and then hop in a big rig no problem.

If the govt has a problem with that.....and me taking a test with a pickup and trailer isn't good enough for a big rig.....then CLEARLY they should not require the same class of license
Was looking through the IL CDL stuff and it looks like pickup/trailer combo would be a class A CDL with L and O restriction L being no air brakes and O being no semi tractor/trailer so if you take the road test in anything other than tractor/trailer you get an O restriction But it also appears they don't list a 5th wheel restriction unless the O is that restriction. Can anybody confirm what O is in their state.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #210  
If they want a one size fits all license.....

And since there is no difference in the eyes of the law....

I should absolutely be able to take a test in a pick up and 14k trailer, and then hop in a big rig no problem.

If the govt has a problem with that.....and me taking a test with a pickup and trailer isn't good enough for a big rig.....then CLEARLY they should not require the same class of license

You won’t have any air brake training. The only big rig you could drive would be with juice brakes. That’s why there’s an air brake endorsement.
When you hop into an air brake truck each time, you are supposed to perform an air brake bleed down test. There are additional air brake knowledge topics (gladhands, draining tanks, etc)

Now here’s one that always gets everyone riled up lol

You CAN buy an under 26,000lb size truck with air brakes…..

Then what license and training is required?
 
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/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #211  
O restriction in Pennsylvania is... " O – Prohibits a Class A driver from driving a truck tractor-trailer combination"

That is straight from the DMV website.

There is no 5th wheel restriction that I see.

Website for full reference...
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #212  
So PA has responded (somewhat) to the guy who wants to drive a 3500-5500 (for example) and a 16K trailer (for example).
I have never heard of the “5th wheel restriction”.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #213  
Here is how the federal regs define the restriction if you take the test in a non-fifth wheel combination.

Tractor-trailer. If an applicant performs the skills test in a combination vehicle for a Group A CDL with the power unit and towed unit connected with a pintle hook or other non-fifth wheel connection, the State must indicate on the CDL, if issued, that the person is restricted from operating a tractor-trailer combination connected by a fifth wheel that requires a Group A CDL.


In Texas it is a restriction "O".

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/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #214  
The training is all the same. Regardless of what class a restrictions you get. The restrictions are simply based on what vehicle you take the test in. Therefore the training organization said spend the few hundred bucks to use their truck so you have no restrictions. Since you are “trained” on it all. It is called edlt training and covers everything. But you can still take the test in your own pickup if you want. But after spending the time and money it is silly to get the restrictions.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #215  
For what you wanting to haul and your needs a single cab four wheel dually may be preferable.
If possible a 7.3 or 12valve Cummins may be advisable. Pre the emission controls. It may be nesissary to spend money on the running gear and engine but would be much less than a newer truck would cost.
The Federal government has certain exceptions for farmers when it comes to license. That being said you have to check with your home state to 1. see if what you are doing counts as being a farmer. 2. What special license or endorsements you need if over 26,000lbs (GVWR or actual). 3.If you are a farmer what type of vehicle registration you need. Under the feds and MAP21 each State had to have 1 way to identify farmers to take advantage of the exceptions. Some use the license plate, some use a form to be carried in the vehicle... For the weight you are carrying if you have too small of a truck you will just wear it out and or break something.
I am confused by a few statements about CDL. I don’t haul anything for money. I haul to save my money. 26k means nothing if you don’t do it commercially. If you don’t have DOT numbers the only thing you will get stopped for is failure to secure something properly. But that is even a stretch. My trailer is rated for 18k and I run a Dodge 3500 SB SRW with 3.42s and a 68rfe.
It all depends on the State. Several (I think more than half0 have a licensing requirement for vehicles over 26k (GVWR or actual) that includes RV's. It is up to your home State.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #216  
My understanding is that no matter if you're commercial or not >26k combined gross weight requires a CDL per the Feds. Certain states have farm exemptions with limitations on range/load/etc.

I've heard that some law enforcement will cite for this if the summed gvw of the truck + trailer>26k even if you're empty. (Which imo is a gross misapplication of the law)
The law is typically based off of 2 weights (which is the same as the Feds use) the vehicles GVWR or the actual weight whichever is greater. You can look it up in the regulation section of www.fmcsa.dot.gov under 390.5 (you can also find the definition of Covered farm vehicle here). The feds only care if you are crossing State line and are using the vehicle for commerce. For example you are pulling a trailer with an RV and inside the trailer is your race car that you race for money or have sponsorship on it. (you do not have to win money just race for potential money) Most States use the federal regulations for their own people with a few exceptions. Some don't require a CDL but they require an endorsement that is for a vehicle that would otherwise require a CDL if used for business.

The bottom line is you have to know what your State requires and make sure you meet those requirements
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #217  
So PA has responded (somewhat) to the guy who wants to drive a 3500-5500 (for example) and a 16K trailer (for example).
I have never heard of the “5th wheel restriction”.

Idk if it’s a fairly new thing but my license has “5th wheel restricted” printed on the back.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #218  
I just pulled this from the Ohio BMV. So does this mean there's no need for a cdl in Ohio with a 3/4 ton? I borrow a friend of mines tandem dual gooseneck (18,000 gvw?) with my 2018 Ram 2500 who's gvw is 10,000 lbs?
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/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #219  
I just pulled this from the Ohio BMV. So does this mean there's no need for a cdl in Ohio with a 3/4 ton? I borrow a friend of mines tandem dual gooseneck (18,000 gvw?) with my 2018 Ram 2500 who's gvw is 10,000 lbs?View attachment 778935
if the tow vehicle GVWR is 10k or less then no. 3/4 ton truck usually stay at 10k or below. But you never know what the manufacturer is going to do to sell more trucks.
 
/ Truck & Trailer ideas to tow 14,000 and be under 26,000 pounds #220  
Ive noticed a lot of postings that are confusing personal license and vehicle use with commercial cdl vehicle use.

There us a zero tolerance policy for alcohol in commercial vehicles. Doesn’t matter what limit you are under.

Another is get your cdl and borrow someones truck when you need it. Your personal vehicle policy probably wont cover you in a commercial vehicle. For his insurance to cover you he would have to list you on his policy and the insurance company would have to approve you. Plus he would have to pay premiums for you.

Some think that they have never been pulled over so its ok. In our state the dot are the only ones really qualified to handle commercial vehicle infractions. The state police, sheriffs dept. and local police will get you for the standard traffic violations only.
My brother in law went 25 years before a dot got behind him one day. His 3/4 ton pickup and 16’ trailer almost got towed.

Unfortunately when it comes to farm use most states have their own rules to make it more confusing.
 

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