Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant)

/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #81  
Back to the rant.......

The government bailed out Chrysler......then General Motors............That only leaves me with Ford.....but those Tundras look pretty good now.:)

Cheers,
Mike
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #82  
Back to the rant.......

The government bailed out Chrysler......then General Motors............That only leaves me with Ford.....but those Tundras look pretty good now.:)

Cheers,
Mike

Ford did mortgage EVERYTHING and took out a super low interest government DOE loan for $5.9B. It wasn't the best route but the family business didn't want the government in their panties. Ford was in worse shape and they took a different path.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #83  
You guess I can't afford a truck? you don't have a clue..

Go buy a new truck and drive it for 10 years, let us know how all the electronics are treating you in that time frame.. I have bought without putting to much thought into it probably 15 new trucks, all different kinds, some better than others but as a whole they are all junks..

By the way while you're "guessing" who can afford what, you might want to space you're posts out so people can read them not that they are of any use..

Well I bought new a 2001 Ford F-150 and it was bullet proof other than brakes needed replacing every 50-60k. Drove it right to 180k without any issues. Bought a new 2008 F250 Lariat again a great truck other than brakes, and 2 radiators, a broken cab bolt. Friend of mine bought a new 2007 GMC Denali for his sales job. He had 437,000 miles on it when his step son just totaled it in May of this year. Never touched anything but a few sensors, belts, alternator, water pump, battery, tires etc. Same engine/tranny etc. Another friend has a 08 Chevy Dmax. Replaced 3 injectors,alternator and seat motor. He has 270,000 on it now. By the way my wife’s 2014 Nissan Armada just hit 110k and has never been back to the shop since new. All vehicles are just better today than 15-20 years ago period. People use to trade at 100k because they were considered wore out. Unless you beat the **** out of them 100k is nothing now. Sorry but I totally disagree agree with you in this one.
 
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/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #84  
I can only WISH I could get 30 K miles on a set of rotors.

It's more like every 20K with two pad slaps between. Frozen calipers are a constant nag.

Rust never sleeps around here.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #85  
Sorry but I totally disagree agree with you in this one.

No problem, it's going to happen some time... Everyone has an opinion, you know mine and I know yours, no big deal...
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #86  
Well I bought new a 2001 Ford F-150 and it was bullet proof other than brakes needed replacing every 50-60k. Drove it right to 180k without any issues. Bought a new 2008 F250 Lariat again a great truck other than brakes, and 2 radiators, a broken cab bolt. Friend of mine bought a new 2007 GMC Denali for his sales job. He had 437,000 miles on it when his step son just totaled it in May of this year. Never touched anything but a few sensors, belts, alternator, water pump, battery, tires etc. Same engine/tranny etc. Another friend has a 08 Chevy Dmax. Replaced 3 injectors,alternator and seat motor. He has 270,000 on it now. By the way my wife’s 2014 Nissan Armada just hit 110k and has never been back to the shop since new. All vehicles are just better today than 15-20 years ago period. People use to trade at 100k because they were considered wore out. Unless you beat the **** out of them 100k is nothing now. Sorry but I totally disagree agree with you in this one.

With the cost of today’s vehicles and the relation of that cost to the average persons income or just comparing prices and money then against todays with inflation etc. is astounding. Being happy to get 100,000 more or less trouble free miles ? Gees. We should be getting closer to 250,000 with proper care and basic maintenance on most any vehicle.

For just a little more unpleasantness factor in the issues with many of the repair jobs and parts availability and the factory effort to limit the ability of the owners to do repairs that wish to.

Sure the new vehicles are nice with lots of bells and whistles but for many of us wanting a vehicle to do a job reliably at a reasonable operating cost its a mess and a constant irritant.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #87  
My suburban has 290k and still drives good. My dad’s suburban has 222k and you’d think it was brand new driving it. I had a Silverado with 230k and it still drove good. Rust was its biggest issue. My buddy has a Silverado with about 270k and he’s beat the crap out of it and it’s still going. Anyone that says vehicles built within the last 20 years is junk at 100k miles is wrong.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #88  
I drive a 2006 Honda Ridgeline with 230K miles that I bought for $3000. Combined with my 14ft PJ utility trailer I’m $5000 all in and can move everything I need. I’ll be driving the Ridgeline and trailer across the USA in November and have no concerns about reliability.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #89  
IMHO part of the issue is the consumer. We want all this stuff on our vehicles which not only drives up the cost but also the complexity. I watched a friend of mine take apart a old 1960’s something 1 ton truck and organize the pieces across the floor in his barn while he prepared the frame for paint. Can you image doing that to a new truck? Holy cow would that be a mess. I just wonder how many miles of wiring there would be. Even a base truck is so much more feature rich than a truck of just 20 years ago. I’m still amazed though at how many top trim levels are sold. Look at Ford you have the following :
XL
XLT
Lariat
King Ranch
Platinum
Limited

The limited version is 80k base without extra options. Here in the south you see them running everywhere.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #90  
I should of put my boots on before I clicked on this thread...
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #91  
IMHO part of the issue is the consumer. We want all this stuff on our vehicles which not only drives up the cost but also the complexity. I watched a friend of mine take apart a old 1960’s something 1 ton truck and organize the pieces across the floor in his barn while he prepared the frame for paint. Can you image doing that to a new truck? Holy cow would that be a mess. I just wonder how many miles of wiring there would be. Even a base truck is so much more feature rich than a truck of just 20 years ago. I’m still amazed though at how many top trim levels are sold. Look at Ford you have the following :
XL
XLT
Lariat
King Ranch
Platinum
Limited

The limited version is 80k base without extra options. Here in the south you see them running everywhere.

Hmmm, I thought the Platinum was top of the line, but I guess there’s an even more fancy version. Can’t imagine what it’d do at that price. I’ll stick to the XL carpet delete version.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #92  
Hmmm, I thought the Platinum was top of the line, but I guess there’s an even more fancy version. Can’t imagine what it’d do at that price. I’ll stick to the XL carpet delete version.

Yeah they came out with the limited line in 2017 I think. It’s now the highest trim level with a base price of 80k before extra options. Crazy!
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #94  
I’m a fan of Scotty Kilmer too. However, even though the F150 is more capable and has more features than the Tundra, the Tundra is more reliable as they age.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #95  
Many people in public service and union jobs make great money and suffer terrible BS, boredome and beurocracy.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #96  
Ford did mortgage EVERYTHING and took out a super low interest government DOE loan for $5.9B. It wasn't the best route but the family business didn't want the government in their panties. Ford was in worse shape and they took a different path.
They also laid off alot of people like me and my friends.

Six one way, half dozen the other. Make deal with the devil and take a loan or let half the people go and work the other half to death?
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #97  
IMHO part of the issue is the consumer. We want all this stuff on our vehicles which not only drives up the cost but also the complexity. I watched a friend of mine take apart a old 1960’s something 1 ton truck and organize the pieces across the floor in his barn while he prepared the frame for paint. Can you image doing that to a new truck? Holy cow would that be a mess. I just wonder how many miles of wiring there would be. Even a base truck is so much more feature rich than a truck of just 20 years ago. I’m still amazed though at how many top trim levels are sold. Look at Ford you have the following :
XL
XLT
Lariat
King Ranch
Platinum
Limited

The limited version is 80k base without extra options. Here in the south you see them running everywhere.
Some CEO, I want to say Asian, maybe Korean. Kia? Hyundai? Mentioned in an interview that the cost to manufacturer the wiring harness on their cars was generally more than the cost of the engine. Suprising, but fuel injection & safety systems have come a long way. No way I'd want to go back to dealing with a carb or no ABS. Looming forward to adaptive cruise control, automatic emergency braking & some of the other nicer features in my next upgrade personally. It all adds cost & complexity though.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #98  
A few years ago my wife was driving her car on the 4 lane and I was riding along. A cat ran out in front of us and she swerved. She took the steering wheel and gave it a quick half turn...…….at 70 mph. The car came unglued and it started swerving back and forth each swerve getting a little bigger. You could hear the stability control doing its best to keep the car under control and I could actually hear the anti lock brakes switching from one wheel to another to get the car under control. I looked at the car when we arrived and the tire had knuckled under enough that when she hit the cat the hair was stuck between the rim and tire. My wife and I rarely argue and I had never really yelled at her until that day. I said next time hit the ****ing cat!

Yes car and trucks have a lot of safety crap on them. It adds weight and cost, but it saved our bacon that day. I don't think we wanna go backwards.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #99  
If people tended to drive with more care and attention, there would be fewer anamal deaths. If people want to kill themelves and each other let them, but leave the poor critters out of our BS.
 
/ Won't buy another chevy truck (kind of a rant) #100  
I've owned chevy pickups for about 25 years, from s-10s to 2500's. I have generally liked them, but can't buy another. I went to the dealership to get my truck looked at (was still under warranty 3/36). They told me that my truck needed new rotors and discs all the way around, that they were completely shot. The truck had about 32,000 miles on it, and not driven hard. I said no problem, go ahead, it is under warranty. Shockingly they said it isn't covered (bumper to bumper), and that it would be over $1,000. I said hold on a second, all four discs and rotors are completely shot in under 36,000 miles, and you wan't over 1k to fix, no thank you. I thought I would just be on my merry way, nope. I had to pay them over $100 for their inspection. I called my buddy who runs the Ford garage and asked him how much rotors and disks would cost, and he told me like $600. I said I want someone other than me to do this so if this goes further they can't say harry the homeowner did something wrong. Drove there and he said yeah, they are all completely shot, and he was shocked that they charged me and that they wanted over 1K and it wasn't covered under a warranty (maybe not parts but labor as a dealer). So now I am mad, so I call chevy customer service....

Told customer service what happened, what the prices were, what the charges were, mileage yada yada yada. They said they needed to get back in contact with me. A couple of days later they asked me some more questions, like do I drive in snow (Yeah I live in the north), do I ever trailer anything (yeah truck specifically built for trailering), do they use salt on the road in winter? I am not getting a good feeling.

I get called again a couple of days later, dealer said that the salt on the road deteriorated the brakes, and that I trailer, so that this isn't covered. I told the chevy person, I said how can I own a truck with a hitch, that I ordered with trailering options, and not drive it year round? Salt on the road, are you fn kiddin me? They spread that from November to April every year. So, if I didn't drive my truck int he winter, and didn't trailer it, i would be covered under warranty? I told her you have got to be kidding me. In her defense she did sound like she understood I was getting shafted here. So I still had to pay the inspection, and it wasn't covered. I asked her why the chevy dealership was over 1k for the brakes and the Ford dealership was $600 (no special prices from my buddy). Answer OEM.?!?

Ok, I'm salty, but can get over it. About 1 week later I get a letter in the mail from chevy. I'm thinking, maybe someone reconsidered, or some junk coupon for "future service". No, it was notice from Chevrolet that some brakes fail on their vehicles and have issues. If your brakes fail and you die be sure to take your truck into the dealership to have them fixed (obviously not their words).

So, Chevy customer care knew that a brake issue was known for my vehicle, the dealership knew it too, and they both lied and stuck me with the bill. Not going to do it again, once bitten twice shy. I'll let someone new lie to me next time.

FYI - my grandfather (now deceased) was a GM retiree. My entire family owned chevy's.

Over 45,000 city, and over 50,000 miles of towing and I did the brakes on my 2011 F150 at 108,000 miles. New rotors on the fronts only and pads all the way around. Cost me about $325 as I recall. However, I am on my third set of spark plugs and my fourth set of tires all in that same 108,000 miles.

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