Need some tire advice / recomendations

   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #21  
Well, I need to verify the model, as the 10" rims were the original, so it is probably not the UT128... I will look this evening and correct that. However, speaking of rims and weight limits… I assume, this is just like axles... so if you have rims that are rated at 900#'s, that means you should be able to carry a load of 1,800#'s if a single axle, correct? The reason I ask, is b/c the highest weight rating I seen on 10 or 12" rims were like 1250#'s and this trailer is supposedly designed to carry up to 1,660#'s.
My mistake 20.5 x 8.0 - 10 where the rim width is 8” and the tire diameter is 10”, right?
http://www.bigriversltd.com/files/6313/6656/1212/UT128_-_2004.pdf
 
   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #22  
Your failure seems odd, I think we are just trying to help you figure out if this is an anomaly due to bad parts or an inherent problem of the tire type/size.

:thumbsup: So, if my entry is correct, e-trailer is wrong. They recommend the wrong tire for that application.
Snowmobile Trailer Tires to Replace 2.5x8-1 TIres | etrailer.com Now look at the page for that tire and it says this tire fits a 10 x 6 wheel.:shocked:
Loadstar K399 Bias Trailer Tire - 25/65-1 - Load Range E Kenda Tires and Wheels AM1HP56
 
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#24  
Correct, it's the sum of the wheels capacity.
Your failure seems odd, I think we are just trying to help you figure out if this is an anomaly due to bad parts or an inherent problem of the tire type/size.

The fact that you were able to recover lugnuts and 2 were together makes me wonder, I've had lugs back off and even studs break, I've rarely found a lug much less multiple lugs together.

My worst was a F550 pulling a gooseneck with about 12k lbs on the trucks rear axle, all 8 studs on the left rear broke, at 60+mph. Needless to say I didn't recover any lug nuts, or the outer wheel/tire!

Ok, good to know, thanks.

Yes, and I actually believe if I would have been able to walk both sides of the freeway from the point that it blew to where I pulled over to the side of the road I would have found them all. I was pretty sure I seen at least 2 more on the other side of the freeway, but it was 3 lanes and traffic was fairly heavy so I didn't risk going after them. I had found those 2 plus the 2 that was holding my spare on the holder. So I was able to put 4 on and then drive a 1/2 mile down the road and buy 4 more plus a bearing cap at the local auto parts store before continuing on my way.
 
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:thumbsup: So, if my entry is correct, e-trailer is wrong. They recommend the wrong tire for that application.
Snowmobile Trailer Tires to Replace 2.5x8-1 TIres | etrailer.com Now look at the page for that tire and it says this tire fits a 10 x 6 wheel.:shocked:
Loadstar K399 Bias Trailer Tire - 25/65-1 - Load Range E Kenda Tires and Wheels AM1HP56

The specs from that tire on eTrailer below says it fits 10" x 6" rims.....

Specs:
Fits: 10" x 6" rims
Tire size: 205/65-10
Section width: 8.4"
Outer diameter (when inflated): 20.4"
Capacity:
Load range: E
Ply rating: 10
Maximum load: 1,650 lbs at 90 psi
Maximum speed: 87 mph (speed rating N)
 
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Here is the info off the tongue..... am I reading this right that I can put a 12 or 13” tire of a 13” rim??
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   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #28  
The specs from that tire on eTrailer below says it fits 10" x 6" rims.....

Specs:
Fits: 10" x 6" rims
Tire size: 205/65-10
Section width: 8.4"
Outer diameter (when inflated): 20.4"
Capacity:
Load range: E
Ply rating: 10
Maximum load: 1,650 lbs at 90 psi
Maximum speed: 87 mph (speed rating N)

Right, so what width rim did the trailer have, 6 or 8?
 
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Right, so what width rim did the trailer have, 6 or 8?

6”

But after finally getting time to actually take a closer look at the rim, I believe the lugs came loose and caused the blowout rather than a tire failure. It appears that the holes in 2 or 3 on the rim were worn out a little oversize.

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   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #30  
Wow, that tire was dragged for quite some time, maybe the wheel came lose and wedged itself and dragged until it finally wore through?
 
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Wow, that tire was dragged for quite some time, maybe the wheel came lose and wedged itself and dragged until it finally wore through?

Well, only went about 500-600 ft before getting off the road and stopped. Yes, I now believe that is what happened.
 
   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #32  
Well, only went about 500-600 ft before getting off the road and stopped. Yes, I now believe that is what happened.
Yup, that didn't happen in 600ft!
 
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Ok.... if u say so.... but I happened to actually have been driving, so let me reiterate what happened.... driving 70 in middle lane, no wobble, no drag, smooth as silk.... THEN, big LOUD POW! Check side mirror immediately, see trailer slightly pitch/lean to the left... let off gas, slowing apply brakes while checking traffic behind, nothing there so I immediately take it to the far right lane and pull off the road and stop. Get out, see black mark that started what looked to be approx 350 feet... after jacking up and seeing all 5 lug nuts were gone, walked back down the highway approx 500ft or a little more, to the beginning of the black mark... found 2 of the lugs on my side of the road, and seen what I believed to be 2 others across the other 3 lanes of highway but too busy to go over and pick them up.... so, if it blew out sometime prior to that, or I was dragging it sideways down the highway, it gave no indication to me that was the case.... I’m no expert by any means, but I would imagine if you take that same tire and place 350-400lbs of downforce on it, (I had about 700#’s of load), and drag it with at a starting speed of 70MPH with a now shattered, sharp, piece of aluminum pressing down between the rubber and the road, and push it like that for 500-600 feet, I would think that tire would look very much like the one in the pic.... but who knows, perhaps I was dragging it under the trailer for a few miles at 70mph and just didn’t notice it until the last 600 ft. If I lived close enough to where it happened I would go take a pic of the black mark left on the road, or even measure it.
 
   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #34  
Where was the original blowout point then?
 
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#35  
Well, I would assume at same time of the Big Bang and the start of the black mark....
 
   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #36  
I mean in the tire, is there another part of the tire that shows a blowout or just the hole where it wore through?
 
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#37  
I didn’t inspect the tire that closely, but I’ll check... I guess it’s possible that the same hole that is worn through was the original blow out hole to start with...
 
   / Need some tire advice / recomendations #38  
That's kinda how it appears to me, looks like the wheel jammed or locked up and drug until it blew then drug some more.

The area that is worn appears to be larger indicating it was still inflated while being dragging. At least from what I can see in the pictures.

Not sure what you were pulling it with but with a decent sized truck and that light of a trailer I could see where you might not notice it at first cruising down the highway.
 
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#39  
I guess my thoughts are that if the wheel was off the studs and in a bind, at the very least I would expect that to cause the trailer to not track straight, not to mention want to weave, if even a little. Also, I would have expected the lug nuts to be miles down the road not all, or most, located from the first sigh of a black mark to where I then pulled off the road. I’m pretty **** about continuously checking all mirrors while driving, especially while pulling a trailer...just wish I had been as **** about checking lug nuts...
I was just pulling with a 1/2 ton pickup with a V8 in it, so just a standard truck.
 

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