My NX6010

[Threepoint]

For my own clarity in understanding, did you come to a stop, lift the loader, then pop out of gear?

Not certain of the sequence, but I think I had just pushed the snow into a pile with the loader, raised the bucket slightly to back up, then stopped. Then when I tried to move forward I couldn't. Don't know if the lever moved forward but I definitely seemed to be in neutral. That's when I tried the experiment of simply raising and lowering the FEL. That alone got me going again.

Since I can't replicate the condition on demand I'll have to wait and try to be more observant next time.

 

[k0ua]

I use white lithium grease from a spray can but I need to dig it out of a box and the garage is cold. Very cold.

I did toss the battery disconnect. It wasn't worth it.

If it is in an aerosol can, you probably couldn't get any out of the can due to low pressure from the low temp.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Not certain of the sequence, but I think I had just pushed the snow into a pile with the loader, raised the bucket slightly to back up, then stopped. Then when I tried to move forward I couldn't. Don't know if the lever moved forward but I definitely seemed to be in neutral. That's when I tried the experiment of simply raising and lowering the FEL. That alone got me going again.

Since I can't replicate the condition on demand I'll have to wait and try to be more observant next time.

ThreePoint,

The next time it happens, if you can note the following so that Kioti and our dealers can develop their understanding of the issue.

1) The type of hydro/transfluid used.
2) The ambient air temperature.
3) How warm (best guess) the hydro fluid was at the time (best guess: cold, warm, hot).
4) The gear in at the time and the direction the shift lever moved.
5) Intended direction of travel either forward or backward.
6) The load put on the gear at the time it popped and if you think it happened at a transition of load where perhaps the load on the transmission was momentarily slack.
7) And before any of this, confirmation that the shift level appeared to be adjust correctly so that the lever can index into every gear without hitting or coming close to hitting the plastic cover that covers the shift lever.
8) The type of task that was being done leading up to popping the gear out.

Also, are you having a problems getting the transmission into gear? Excessive issues even while tapping the forward and rearward HST pedals suggest a worn or bent shift fork.

 

[comancheflight]

X faxman - wasn't sure (box didnt say) so took the locking one off (no hissing when i removed it) and compared it with the Kioti one. Both have centers that have 'holes' which didn't mean anything other than possibly vented so cleaned them off and blew in them. Neither would allow blowing out. Then put lip vacuum on the Kioti and could pull air in..so the locking one I repeated the process and could also pull air in equally well. I figure I will use it and check it after a short period to make sure it isn't causing a vacuum on the tank. Unless I'm missing something?

 

[Xfaxman]

X faxman - wasn't sure (box didnt say) so took the locking one off (no hissing when i removed it) and compared it with the Kioti one. Both have centers that have 'holes' which didn't mean anything other than possibly vented so cleaned them off and blew in them. Neither would allow blowing out. Then put lip vacuum on the Kioti and could pull air in..so the locking one I repeated the process and could also pull air in equally well. I figure I will use it and check it after a short period to make sure it isn't causing a vacuum on the tank. Unless I'm missing something?

Sounds like they are the same and working correctly. :thumbsup:

 

[MinnesotaEric]

In an attempt to try to puzzle out the popping into neutral issue, I ordered from Amazon a K-type, battery-operated, temperature meter with two sensors so I can monitor both the engine temp and the hydraulic temp. I intend to hose clamp the sensors down. Both sensors will only measure the outside temp of a housing and not the fluid itself. Even so, something is better than nothing.

 

[Threepoint]

In an attempt to try to puzzle out the popping into neutral issue, I ordered from Amazon a K-type, battery-operated, temperature meter with two sensors so I can monitor both the engine temp and the hydraulic temp. I intend to hose clamp the sensors down. Both sensors will only measure the outside temp of a housing and not the fluid itself. Even so, something is better than nothing.

Will be very interested in what you find. Glad you're taking this initiative!

The popping into neutral (forward from Mid range) has only happened to me on two different days in 170 hrs., both recently. Both days, I had been operating under load for hours, so was at full engine operating temp. Don't know about the hydraulic oil, but I've got to assume it was also at full temp.

Graded and used the loader for a couple more hours yesterday, with no recurrence.

 

[RockyNY]

No popping out of gear problems for me yet, but I'm only up to 55 hours (20 of those in the last 2 months plowing snow). Also my AC will not come on below 0* - I've observed this multiple times. However, it will come on after running 10-15 minutes and the tractor is heated up.

 

[joefromga]

In an attempt to try to puzzle out the popping into neutral issue, I ordered from Amazon a K-type, battery-operated, temperature meter with two sensors so I can monitor both the engine temp and the hydraulic temp. I intend to hose clamp the sensors down. Both sensors will only measure the outside temp of a housing and not the fluid itself. Even so, something is better than nothing.

Make sure to wrap them with insulating tape and they will be pretty accurate. . That's how hvac techs do it to measure superheat/subcool on the suction line.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Make sure to wrap them with insulating tape and they will be pretty accurate. . That's how hvac techs do it to measure superheat/subcool on the suction line.

Not a bad idea at all. Unless you've got a better product in mind, it looks as though 3M's High temperature tape would do the job.

3M High Temperature Flue Tape, 15-Foot Roll - Hi Temp Foil Tape - Amazon.com

 

[murphy1244]

I have a field piece head that measures 2 different temps at the same time.

 

[94BULLITT]

Moved snow for several hours this week, and only popped out of range once. It was as Eric describes: attempting to move forward from a stop, as the engine revved, with "Linked Peddle" engaged. This time, rather than touch the range selector, I experimented by raising and lowering the FEL once. That was all it took. Pressed the forward peddle and off I went. Hmm.

Were you in the same range the whole time or were you switching between ranges?

 

[Threepoint]

Were you in the same range the whole time or were you switching between ranges?

Mid-range the whole time.

 

[94BULLITT]

Mid-range the whole time.

I was thinking if you were switching between ranges you may have not got it all the way in and it popped out. Since you were in medium the whole, that was not the case. If it was not all the way in gear it would have popped out as soon as it was under a load. With these tractors popping out of range so intermittently, it is going to be a hard problem to diagnose.

 

[IslandTractor]

I was thinking if you were switching between ranges you may have not got it all the way in and it popped out. Since you were in medium the whole, that was not the case. If it was not all the way in gear it would have popped out as soon as it was under a load. With these tractors popping out of range so intermittently, it is going to be a hard problem to diagnose.

I don't know if it's possibly related but my DK40se is fussy about GOING IN to mid range. Easy to come out (intentionally) and easy to get into either low or high but midrange sometimes (maybe 25% of the time) requires a little jiggling and sometimes tractor movement before it clunks in. Never has popped out once it's in though.

 

[94BULLITT]

I don't know if it's possibly related but my DK40se is fussy about GOING IN to mid range. Easy to come out (intentionally) and easy to get into either low or high but midrange sometimes (maybe 25% of the time) requires a little jiggling and sometimes tractor movement before it clunks in. Never has popped out once it's in though.

My Bobcat CT235 was hard to get into each range. It also took some movement sometimes to get all the way in.

 

[Hard Knocks]

Keep an eye on the dash when you have movement problems. Look to see if the "CAL" light is illuminated. If you happen to hit the reverse peddle at the same time as the forward the computer goes into safe mode. You may not even realize that the reverse peddle got tapped when attempting to move forward. (Same thing with going in reverse and nudging the forward peddle) When the unit goes into safe mode the transmission is disabled and the CAL light illuminates. You need to leave both peddles released for a few seconds for it to reset. If you keep trying the forward and reverse peddle it will not reset. The next assumption is that it popped out of gear. When you start messing with the shifter the computer resets and the logical explanation is that the range shifter must have jumped out of gear because it works now.

We have had two complaints on NX's jumping out of gear and in both cases after showing the customer this situation they both have reported back that this was the issue. We now have the customer push both peddles during our delivery training to show them what happens.

Try to push both peddles at the same time and watch the CAL light. You will see how it is possible to get into an endless cycle by attempting to move forward and reverse without giving the system a chance to reset with no peddles depressed. This safety is built into protect the transmission.

In your case Eric it sounds like you have actually verified that your shifter jumped forward. I will be curious to hear the outcome on that one.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

Keep an eye on the dash when you have movement problems. Look to see if the "CAL" light is illuminated. If you happen to hit the reverse peddle at the same time as the forward the computer goes into safe mode. You may not even realize that the reverse peddle got tapped when attempting to move forward. (Same thing with going in reverse and nudging the forward peddle) When the unit goes into safe mode the transmission is disabled and the CAL light illuminates. You need to leave both peddles released for a few seconds for it to reset. If you keep trying the forward and reverse peddle it will not reset. The next assumption is that it popped out of gear. When you start messing with the shifter the computer resets and the logical explanation is that the range shifter must have jumped out of gear because it works now.

We have had two complaints on NX's jumping out of gear and in both cases after showing the customer this situation they both have reported back that this was the issue. We now have the customer push both peddles during our delivery training to show them what happens.

Try to push both peddles at the same time and watch the CAL light. You will see how it is possible to get into an endless cycle by attempting to move forward and reverse without giving the system a chance to reset with no peddles depressed. This safety is built into protect the transmission.

In your case Eric it sounds like you have actually verified that your shifter jumped forward. I will be curious to hear the outcome on that one.

The jumping out of gear that I've described isn't mashing down on both HST pedals at the same time, but is a loud bang from the shift lever popping out of gear into neutral. So far, the shift lever has always popped forward. I want to say that my tractor has popped out of medium into neutral perhaps a dozen times, and once from low into neutral. It has done so from the beginning. After the second time the tractor popped out of gear I became very deliberate in my shifting into ranges, alternatively tapping the forward and then the reverse HST pedals while gently rattling the shift lever in its indexed gate to confirm the gear itself is indexed in case there is some slop on the shift fork from either wear or getting bent.

My tractor had 7.5 hours on it when I picked it up and so I don't know if people demoing it jammed the lever potentially bending the shift fork, or if the detent spring is too weak enough so as to allow the gear to slide back out of gear under the right conditions. In every instance that my NX has jumped out of its range gear, it was in a transitionary load from no load to just starting to take up slack in the driveline, and *bang* you know that it has popped out of gear and not an accidental mushing on both HST pedals.

Now that at least two others are reporting the same thing here on TBN, I'm no longer the only guy with the problem and so far all of us have HST transmissions.

 

[94BULLITT]

The jumping out of gear that I've described isn't mashing down on both HST pedals at the same time, but is a loud bang from the shift lever popping out of gear into neutral. So far, the shift lever has always popped forward. I want to say that my tractor has popped out of medium into neutral perhaps a dozen times, and once from low into neutral. It has done so from the beginning. After the second time the tractor popped out of gear I became very deliberate in my shifting into ranges, alternatively tapping the forward and then the reverse HST pedals while gently rattling the shift lever in its indexed gate to confirm the gear itself is indexed in case there is some slop on the shift fork from either wear or getting bent.

My tractor had 7.5 hours on it when I picked it up and so I don't know if people demoing it jammed the lever potentially bending the shift fork, or if the detent spring is too weak enough so as to allow the gear to slide back out of gear under the right conditions. In every instance that my NX has jumped out of its range gear, it was in a transitionary load from no load to just starting to take up slack in the driveline, and *bang* you know that it has popped out of gear and not an accidental mushing on both HST pedals.

Now that at least two others are reporting the same thing here on TBN, I'm no longer the only guy with the problem and so far all of us have HST transmissions.

A shift fork should not bend that easy.

 

[MinnesotaEric]

A shift fork should not bend that easy.

I agree.