XR4040H loader+ pallet fork lift test - would like comments from LS

[DavesTractor]

If your pressures are to spec, you could have some bypass in the loader valve while the spool is in use, where some of the oil is going to tank. We had a similar issue on a different brand where pressures were proper to the valve but 100 psi short past the valve. Yet the loader did not leak down when the spool was centered. We changed valves and gained measured lift capacity. A rare thing, but a possibility. A 2500 lb capacity loader at the pins ought to lift close to a ton on a pallet if stacked compactly.

They rate at the pins because that is the biggest number and everyone does it. Their justification is partly that when you have a full bucket and curl it back and raise it a couple of feet, you essentially have the load centered over the pins. Therefor it is a real number. Sort of makes sense, but still optimistic. The spec ought to include the weight of the bucket. If a bucket weighs 200 lbs, it ought to still lift to spec with the standard bucket attached. But if the forks weigh 300 lbs, you would expect a 100 lb loss of capacity, plus the leverage issues which are substantial.

I tell people that a big tractor can lift about as much as a tiny forklift.

 

[GManBart]

I have one of those plastic tanks with the cage around it. 275 gallons is what it will hold. I have 4000 pound Terra Force 48" forks. They weigh 400lbs just the forks. not sure what the tank thing weighs. i would say 100 lbs or less. I put 200 gallons of water in it and my Xr4046 picks it up pretty easy. How high I dont know but I know it will pick it up 3 or 4 feet. I figure this weight about 2160 lbs. I am gonna keep putting water in it to it no longer will pick it up and should be able to get a pretty dang close figure of what mine will and will not pick up.

The number I've seen listed for 275gal IBC totes is around 125lbs empty (been looking because I need a couple).

 

[gphil12873]

How are you measuring gallons accurately

Well How accurate I dont know. Its marked for every 50 gallons I believe. SO I would guess I would be close enough for me to know. Right now it dead even on 200 gallons on a level concrete pad. Give or take a few gallons im sure. But for me to get out there with a measuring device to get it dead nuts.....naa

 

[TSO]

Well How accurate I dont know. Its marked for every 50 gallons I believe. SO I would guess I would be close enough for me to know. Right now it dead even on 200 gallons on a level concrete pad. Give or take a few gallons im sure. But for me to get out there with a measuring device to get it dead nuts.....naa

Ah ok... Makes sense, just didn't know how it was marked. I'm seeing a standard weight of 8.34 pounds per gallon for water, is that how you are measuring?

 

[gphil12873]

Ah ok... Makes sense, just didn't know how it was marked. I'm seeing a standard weight of 8.34 pounds per gallon for water, is that how you are measuring?

Yes Sir..Thats pretty much what I did.

 

[DavesTractor]

The tote idea is pretty good to get a real close measurement. I like it.

 

[TSO]

The tote idea is pretty good to get a real close measurement. I like it.

Yeah, and less physical labor than my method too! (40# bags of salt on a pallet). Plus, easier to contain, and to ensure "fair" balance of the weight.

 

[gphil12873]

Yea I thought it would be less labor intensive as well...lol. Im sure if you wanted to be really accurate with it you could always get to where the tractor wouldnt lift it. Drain the water out to the nearest marked gallons and then fill 5 gallon buckets and put on the top so you would be more exact. Or gallon jugs. But Im not gonna go through all that. It funny I was talking about it yesterday. On my way home from work I saw a truck hauling 4 of these things on a trailer and 1 in the bed all full of something and I was like now thats a load.

 

[GManBart]

Yea I thought it would be less labor intensive as well...lol. Im sure if you wanted to be really accurate with it you could always get to where the tractor wouldnt lift it. Drain the water out to the nearest marked gallons and then fill 5 gallon buckets and put on the top so you would be more exact. Or gallon jugs. But Im not gonna go through all that. It funny I was talking about it yesterday. On my way home from work I saw a truck hauling 4 of these things on a trailer and 1 in the bed all full of something and I was like now thats a load.

Yeah, there's a local dummy who puts a 275gal IBC tote in the back of his Ford Ranger and uses it to haul water....the bed is almost on the tires when he does that!

 

[hitecredneck1]

I've been thru the dealer and thru LS (Harvey Brock) with no resolution. I challenge LS again to take this tractor back..

 

[TSO]

I've been thru the dealer and thru LS (Harvey Brock) with no resolution. The only other option is to sell this piece of ..... and buy a Kubota. I challenge LS again to take this tractor back so I can get a real tractor....

I'm starting to think that you may not really have this LS tractor your complaining about... Starting to sound a bit like a troll. I can't fathom any reason why you wouldn't be able to get resolution with the dealer, or with LS directly.

It's obvious, that if your relief is set at 2200 psi, and should be set higher, to around 2500... Then that would be the obvious fix. If your dealer won't do it, do it yourself.

 

[hitecredneck1]

Bought from Haney Equipment Athens Al. PM me an email for pictures and maybe help with the issue.

From: Harvey Brock
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2014 8:26:47 PM (UTC-06:00) Central Time (US & Canada)
To: xxxx
Subject: RE: ls xr4040h issue

"2250 PSI is the max. so it is near the upper spec already."

Harvey J Brock
Head of Service
LS Tractor USA

 

[TSO]

Bought from Haney Equipment Athens Al. PM me an email for pictures and maybe help with the issue.

Here's the help I can offer:

-Get a gauge to confirm your PSI and test it yourself.
-Read the manual to learn the proper spec.
-Find out how to adjust it and adjust it yourself to the proper spec.
-OR, if you don't want to do it yourself ... Go to the dealer with proof that the relief PSI is set too low, show them this thread so they know that YOU KNOW the loader is under performing, and demand that they adjust it. If that doesn't work, take the same info to your rep. If that doesn't work, find another dealer that can adjust it.

It may be possible that your dealer is unfamiliar with the process of adjusting the relief PSI. None of my local dealers would check or adjust my PSI and said "it was set from the factory and we can't adjust it."

So I followed the steps myself. My Massey loader was only able to lift 2040 lbs on top of my forks when the relief was set just 150 psi below spec ... I went up to spec and gained 350 lbs of lift on top of my forks (forks weigh around 375).

Don't be afraid to take some initiative.

 

[RKJeepXJ]

I still go back to the fact you can only lift ~1100lbs with your pressure setting at around ~2200psi. Yes that's slightly less than ~2500 which some have mentioned is possible/okay, but 300psi does not equate to over 1000lbs short of what it should be capable of. If the numbers you are quoting are correct, then something else is wrong.

 

[hitecredneck1]

I tested the PSI, below is the response from LS. I've taken the issue to the dealer owner and LS.


"If you go and start adjusting pressures on loader pressure and bend your engine frame you will void your warranty. "
Ricky Marks, Service Manager
L S Tractor, USA, LLC
6900 Corporation Parkway
Battleboro, NC 27809

 

[TSO]

I still go back to the fact you can only lift ~1100lbs with your pressure setting at around ~2200psi. Yes that's slightly less than ~2500 which some have mentioned is possible/okay, but 300psi does not equate to over 1000lbs short of what it should be capable of. If the numbers you are quoting are correct, then something else is wrong.

No, his initial test was 31 bags @ 40 lbs each. That equals 1240 lbs not counting the forks and pallet.

If my current tractor gained 350 lbs on top of the forks with just a 150 psi adjustment, then it should seem reasonable that if he's 300 psi under spec, he should gain around 700 lbs. That would put him closer to the 2000 lb spec that the rest of us saw/see with that loader.

 

[TSO]

I tested the PSI, below is the response from LS. I've taken the issue to the dealer owner and LS.

"If you go and start adjusting pressures on loader pressure and bend your engine frame you will void your warranty. "
Ricky Marks, Service Manager
L S Tractor, USA, LLC
6900 Corporation Parkway
Battleboro, NC 27809

Does your manual list the proper PSI?

 

[ozley]

I've been thru the dealer and thru LS (Harvey Brock) with no resolution. The only other option is to sell this piece of ..... and buy a Kubota. I challenge LS again to take this tractor back so I can get a real tractor....

I guess this shouldn't go any further and you'll have your Kubota next week.

 

[hitecredneck1]

MAX PSI per LS is 2250 psi, I measured 2200 with a very high quality gage.

Can get ~31 bags off the ground, ~28 higher (too unstable to go much higher)

I not going to void a "5 year warrenty" by upping the pressures. I need the forum's help to put pressure on LS to fix this issue or replace the tractor.

per: LS "If you go and start adjusting pressures on loader pressure and bend your engine frame you will void your warranty. "
Ricky Marks, Service Manager
L S Tractor, USA, LLC
6900 Corporation Parkway
Battleboro, NC 27809

 

[aczlan]

Is that 2200PSI at the rear remotes, or 2200PSI at the loader quick connects?

Aaron Z