buickanddeere
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No you don't ever use a cord live live male prongs. What is wrong with you jackleg hacks ?
Generator in a outside building and powering the panel...
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No you don't ever use a cord live live male prongs. What is wrong with you jackleg hacks ?
buickanddeere
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Just install a proper auto start Generac or Kohler genset in a sound and weather enclosure at the utility pole. It will switch over and run everything with it's properly installed transfer switch.
Or run a new cable or conduit out from the shed and mount this panel at the central power pole. Then install one of these .Products - Reliance Controls Corporation
Or run a new cable or conduit out from the shed and mount this panel at the central power pole. Then install one of these .Products - Reliance Controls Corporation
jaotguy
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please note : it was F receptacles on both the wall and gen set .... and a male male extension cord between them ( a lot of the big RV's use them too ) .... nothing live .... please read more carefully ...
special extension is disconnected from both plugs and hung up ... power goes out , plug in the special cord , start the gen set , then set the breakers ON to feed the house ( that has already been disconnected from the mains ) ...
turn gen set off , and breakers ,, ( dead all round ) then remove special cord and hang up till next time ...
if the OP wants to , he can bring in the special switches / wiring / experts and have them "do it right" .. no one is twisting his arm one way or the other ...
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Nothing wrong with this jack leg hack. Ease up Buick.
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I wish someone would answer his darn question about using the neutral and ground
How bout you buick. Give us an answer.
How bout you buick. Give us an answer.
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A solution like this would require pulling no new wires between the house and barn.
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Don't know if It applies to what you are doing or not. If you are adding load to the existing wires, you also have to figure heat build up of the wires in the conduit.
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electrical - Can I connect ground to neutral in a 3 wire outlet? - Home Improvement Stack Exchange
If you don't have an EARTH wire DO NOT BRIDGE NEUTRAL + EARTH! This is potentially lethal as AC NEUTRAL is -115VOLTS! Earth is used in conjunction with LIGHTNING ARRESTORS and SHORT CIRCUITS prevention mechanisms! If you want earth- you need to UPGRADE your entire electrical system. neutral to ground should be 0 volts. If it's not, then it's not a neutral. For 220v circuits in the US, you have two out of phase hot connections at 110v each in addition to a neutral. That said, any issue anywhere in the wiring could result in an energized ground
The Definition of Alternating Current illustrates a Sine wave of t(time) in + then the same span in - (50/60hz) . Direct Current is always equal to or greater than 0! The very reason Negative AC is lethal if connected in the incorrect manner! eg. Never use AC negative as a radio antenna! Besides, Neutral in AC is only for distinguishing reasons as in theory there is never a + or - pole in AC
"Neutral Wire Facts and Mythology". There is a difference between neutral and hot even in AC circuits. One of the differences is that the neutral is grounded, therefore you shouldn't receive a shock if you touch neutral. Also notice that some plugs are asymmetrical so that you can't reverse the neutral with hot(the reason for this is explained in the document at the beginning).
I don't believe this is up to code, but it will pass the test from a standard outlet tester. The problem I see is if any device plugged into the outlet comes into contact with a ground (e.g. water) and that path is more efficient than going all the way back on the neutral wire through the house wiring, then hot current going through any appliance and onto the neutral would come out the ground and possibly electrocute anyone in that path.
That said, I've seen this implemented and have lived in a home where this was done without dying, or even getting shocked. But the fact that the electrician that used this trick was missing several fingers should give you pause.
If you don't have an EARTH wire DO NOT BRIDGE NEUTRAL + EARTH! This is potentially lethal as AC NEUTRAL is -115VOLTS! Earth is used in conjunction with LIGHTNING ARRESTORS and SHORT CIRCUITS prevention mechanisms! If you want earth- you need to UPGRADE your entire electrical system. neutral to ground should be 0 volts. If it's not, then it's not a neutral. For 220v circuits in the US, you have two out of phase hot connections at 110v each in addition to a neutral. That said, any issue anywhere in the wiring could result in an energized ground
The Definition of Alternating Current illustrates a Sine wave of t(time) in + then the same span in - (50/60hz) . Direct Current is always equal to or greater than 0! The very reason Negative AC is lethal if connected in the incorrect manner! eg. Never use AC negative as a radio antenna! Besides, Neutral in AC is only for distinguishing reasons as in theory there is never a + or - pole in AC
"Neutral Wire Facts and Mythology". There is a difference between neutral and hot even in AC circuits. One of the differences is that the neutral is grounded, therefore you shouldn't receive a shock if you touch neutral. Also notice that some plugs are asymmetrical so that you can't reverse the neutral with hot(the reason for this is explained in the document at the beginning).
I don't believe this is up to code, but it will pass the test from a standard outlet tester. The problem I see is if any device plugged into the outlet comes into contact with a ground (e.g. water) and that path is more efficient than going all the way back on the neutral wire through the house wiring, then hot current going through any appliance and onto the neutral would come out the ground and possibly electrocute anyone in that path.
That said, I've seen this implemented and have lived in a home where this was done without dying, or even getting shocked. But the fact that the electrician that used this trick was missing several fingers should give you pause.
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No one has answered his question if he can use the neutral and ground in the conduit from the main and the sub from his genset.
I can't see why he cant. As he states the are separate at his sub in the barn and bonded at the main.
I can't see why he cant. As he states the are separate at his sub in the barn and bonded at the main.
