Thoughts on this used welder?

/ Thoughts on this used welder?
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#241  
So Josh, now that you are welding some with a functioning DC welder, do you notice what we are all talking about with how much better DC welds than AC?

It's hard to say, Dex. I think so, yes, but at this point my skill level is low enough that all my welds look pretty bad, AC or DC. If the DC ones look marginally better, I can hardly see the difference! I will say that the arc is much easier to start with DC--not that it's hard with AC, mind you--and I do think I notice that the arc is "calmer" on DC, with a lot less spatter.
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #242  
When you get a little farther along you will find you can run dc with a little more control than AC. From the looks of your welds they seem to be improving. It look to me like you need to push your welding rod into the puddle a bit more. I would also stick with a specific rod for a while to get the feel for hoe it welds. The easiest rod to weld with is a 7014 and it has to be run hotter than say a 6011. Get a rod amp chart and start with the recomended settings and adjust from there. Every welder is a little different so dont expect the settings to be the exact same. Watch the puddle and keep the arc length short, be consistant and keep at it.
 
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It look to me like you need to push your welding rod into the puddle a bit more. I would also stick with a specific rod for a while to get the feel for hoe it welds. The easiest rod to weld with is a 7014 and it has to be run hotter than say a 6011.

When you say "push the rod into the puddle," do you mean simply keep a shorter arc, or literally push the rod back into the puddle? I don't think you mean to literally submerge the tip of the rod into the puddle, since that would kill the arc, right? I have been trying to lead the puddle with the rod, keeping the rod at the front of the puddle. Is that not right?

I decided to spring for five pounds of 3/32 rod today, because I think it will work better on the 1/8" stock I'm practicing on than the 1/8" rods I have been using. The store didn't have 7014 in that size/quantity, so I settled for 6011 and that's what I'll be practicing with until I burn it up. You're definitely right that the 7014 runs like a dream. It instantly makes my beads look a thousand times better. 6011 is always pretty terrible looking. Very uneven and lots of slag inclusion and porosity.

I will say one difference I have for sure noticed about DC. If I stick the rod and can't quickly twist it loose, I have been in the practice of pressing the stinger handle with my thumb and pulling it off the stick. I learned this from one of the Wall Mountain videos. Well, if I do that on DC, I get a huge flare between the rod and the stinger that has left some scorch marks on it. Since I have been practicing on smaller pieces, I have had them just set on a big piece of metal and have been clamping the ground clamp to the piece of metal. So I figured I would just lift the entire work piece up if the rod stuck. When I do that, I get a big flare between the work piece and the table. This didn't happen on AC, so I figure it must be a DC phenomenon. Pretty dramatic!

This is a dumb question, but I'll go ahead and ask it. When removing the stuck work piece from the electrode, it's okay to do that while the stinger is hot, right? Because 1) I'm wearing gloves and 2) the path to ground is through the ground clamp, and I'm not touching the table. Well, I have done it and not gotten shocked, but that doesn't exactly mean it's good practice.

Let me phrase the question another way: if I was going to shock myself accidentally, how would I be most likely to do it?
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #244  
You may have heard the rumors that up here in the north west it rains a little bit. Well they are all true! I use to build bridges for a living, kind of hard to tent a whole bridge. So welding here, you're gonna get shocked, it's part of life! With DC it's really not that big of deal, more of an aggravation than anything else.
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #245  
When you say "push the rod into the puddle," do you mean simply keep a shorter arc, or literally push the rod back into the puddle? I don't think you mean to literally submerge the tip of the rod into the puddle, since that would kill the arc, right? I have been trying to lead the puddle with the rod, keeping the rod at the front of the puddle. Is that not right?

I decided to spring for five pounds of 3/32 rod today, because I think it will work better on the 1/8" stock I'm practicing on than the 1/8" rods I have been using. The store didn't have 7014 in that size/quantity, so I settled for 6011 and that's what I'll be practicing with until I burn it up. You're definitely right that the 7014 runs like a dream. It instantly makes my beads look a thousand times better. 6011 is always pretty terrible looking. Very uneven and lots of slag inclusion and porosity.

I will say one difference I have for sure noticed about DC. If I stick the rod and can't quickly twist it loose, I have been in the practice of pressing the stinger handle with my thumb and pulling it off the stick. I learned this from one of the Wall Mountain videos. Well, if I do that on DC, I get a huge flare between the rod and the stinger that has left some scorch marks on it. Since I have been practicing on smaller pieces, I have had them just set on a big piece of metal and have been clamping the ground clamp to the piece of metal. So I figured I would just lift the entire work piece up if the rod stuck. When I do that, I get a big flare between the work piece and the table. This didn't happen on AC, so I figure it must be a DC phenomenon. Pretty dramatic!

This is a dumb question, but I'll go ahead and ask it. When removing the stuck work piece from the electrode, it's okay to do that while the stinger is hot, right? Because 1) I'm wearing gloves and 2) the path to ground is through the ground clamp, and I'm not touching the table. Well, I have done it and not gotten shocked, but that doesn't exactly mean it's good practice.

Let me phrase the question another way: if I was going to shock myself accidentally, how would I be most likely to do it?

Just as you thought keep the rod closer to the puddle. What Shield arc said on the shock question. If you stick your rod, do as you did before and take the stinger off when you stick the rod, just do it quickly. Unless you are wet or extremely sweaty you will likely have no problem. the highest risk that I have run across for shock is laying on the bare ground or on concrete when sweaty and tounching the live part of the stinger(dc) and I am still here. The 6011 is a great rod for dirty or rusty metal with good penetration. 6011 does not have that neat appearance but is a good rod.
 
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I went to an informal workshop put on by some local welders today. I think I really made some progress. There really is no substitute for seeing someone do it in person. Two tips that I took away were how to steady myself against the table, and to switch to 7018 rod. I had been avoiding 7018 because I don't have a rod oven, but even 7018 that hasn't been in an oven runs a million times better than 6011. With 6011, the bead is so terrible that I can't really see what I'm doing right or wrong. With 7018, the rod is working with me, not against me, and I can more easily see my progress.

Here are the first two passes of a T joint I did.

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I also got to play with scratch start TIG. James, you were right. It is seriously cool!
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #247  
I went to an informal workshop put on by some local welders today. I think I really made some progress. There really is no substitute for seeing someone do it in person. Two tips that I took away were how to steady myself against the table, and to switch to 7018 rod. I had been avoiding 7018 because I don't have a rod oven, but even 7018 that hasn't been in an oven runs a million times better than 6011. With 6011, the bead is so terrible that I can't really see what I'm doing right or wrong. With 7018, the rod is working with me, not against me, and I can more easily see my progress.

Here are the first two passes of a T joint I did.

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I also got to play with scratch start TIG. James, you were right. It is seriously cool!

HA! Real welds! Ain't it grand to make a weld like that and look at it and say "wow that is more of what I had in mind".. Yes you gotta get set up with the TIG. Argon cylinder, 17V torch, and regulator.. I can help if you get stuck finding the stuff. Torch about $75, regulator about 25, Cylinder you are on your own, I bought mine a 125 cu.ft. for $210, (full) but the prices and rules vary so much per region. some places you cannot even buy one that big, you have to rent. It is cool once you kinda get on to it. You are really coming along, and it has been enjoyable watching your progress.

James K0UA
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #248  
Once you lay down a nice weld bead, there is no turning back - you are hooked! :D Great progress. Congratulations.
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder?
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First attempt at vertical up. E7018 at about 130 amps on 1/4" stock. Using a "z" motion.

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I gotta tell ya, 7018 is really a wonder of a rod. Makes me look like I might know what I'm doing--at least to the untrained eye!

Here's my second attempt. This is actually over about 3-5 fillet passes that I made in the horizontal position, so it would be more of a cover pass.

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I know I have a long way to go, but I'm really super-pleased with these results.
 
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/ Thoughts on this used welder? #251  
Looking good. It is a feel, it will happen. You Will Feel a good weld and just know it. The is no such thing as gorilla welding, just excuses for lack of care. It is a lot harder to make a pretty weld weak than an ugly weld strong. I use z and upside down u a lot depending on the joint. It sounds funny but practicing with you off hand will help you welding with your dominant hand & it just plain good to know how to weld with both.
Jody
 
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Just thought I'd dump this little repair here, since it didn't deserve a whole thread of its own.

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The hinges on my barn door are poorly designed. They bend and separate and break over time. You can see the separation starting in the photo above. One of them had broken completely. I had actually gone to TSC and bought replacements, and was pulling back into the driveway when I realized: hinges are made of metal. And I have a welder. Duh!

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FIXED! I think they may continue to break, in which case I will weld up the side-seam between the front and back plates, which really ought to do the trick. But I didn't think of that until after I painted them and put them back on the door, so I didn't think it was worth the trouble to go back and do it now.
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #255  
Looks good! That's exactly the sort of farm repair I bought my welders for.
(and that weld sure looks prettier than some of mine!)
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #256  
Ain't it cool to have a welder.?:cool2:.. From the looks of those hinges I think they were designed for looks not for strength... so if they break again, weld em back! or add some more metal to them..

James K0UA
 
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A little cart I rigged up for my Harbor Freight 4x6 bandsaw. 2" x 1/8" square tube and 2" x 1/8" angle iron. After getting it to this state, I decided a lift handle on the front would be helpful, so I'm going to weld a piece of 1" tubing with an end-cap on. Other than that, it's basically done. The angle iron legs are a little more flexy than I expected, but I think they'll be okay. If I had it all to do over again, I might not use angle for them.

On another job, I was cutting 1.5" holes in 3/8" stock with a hole saw. The plugs were the perfect size to make end-caps for the feet, and I eagerly fished them out of the scrap bin.

The main lesson of this job, however, is that fitup is king. I really, really need to go back to the bandsaw and get it that nth degree more in-true. Even relatively small gaps were nightmares with the 3/32" 7018 I started out using. If I had to sum up my experience, it would be that "welding is not just caulking with metal." When I encountered the gap, the first thing I did was point the electrode into the gap, as if the molten metal and heat would somehow magically know where I wanted it to be. No dice. The next thing I did was try to weave back and forth on either side of the gap. No dice. Finally, I went back with 6011 and slowly filled in the gaps and the melted off edges of the tubing where I had burned through. The result was a slag-filled mess, and I'm now in the process of grinding THOSE welds out and trying to go back and do something more quality. On the few joints where fitup was good (more by luck or coincidence than anything else), I did all right.

Welding: it's not just caulking with metal. Got it. You can't just point your electrode at a gap and wish the metal to fill it up.

As for warpage, I did okay. I'm especially proud that I was able to use the trick that I first learned from Jody at WeldingTipsAndTricks.com of setting the upright tube cocked just slightly away from the tack so that the tack pulled it into plumb. I also felt clever when I paid attention to which corner of the (not-perfectly-square) end of the tubing was low and tacked that corner first so that I wouldn't be in a situation where I had to pull against the tack to get the tube plumb as I finished up the tacking. The resulting cart is pretty square, plumb, and level, at least by my standards.

Another achievement that I'm proud of is that I built the top frame using overlapped/notched angle iron instead of miters. Cutting the notches, although in principle simple, is easy to screw up if your measurements are off (ask me how I know), but these pieces fit up snugly and were within about 1/16" of square right from the start. The top frame, I'm unreservedly proud of. (Well, okay, there was a tiny bit of porosity in a few of the welds, but I'm still proud.)

7018 has been my go-to rod thus far because it produces the best results for me, but I can see that it is vastly inferior to 6011 or 6013 when fitup is poor. Given that 6013 is said to have poor penetration, this adds some motivation for me to go back and practice more with 6011. As long as everything I was doing was either practice coupons or simple projects with good, easy fitup (e.g. putting bucket hooks on), 7018 was a rock star. On this cart, as soon as the fitup got less-than-excellent, 7018 fell flat on its face.
 
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My current project is a small portable welding table. I don't have permanent shelter near my 220v outlet, so I'm constantly rolling my welder into and out of the basement. I currently weld on a pair of saw horses, but that's hardly ideal. The welding table will provide both a work surface and a cart in one.

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Here's the table in its current state (upside down, of course). I have learned a whole lot about keeping things square and true in this project. I got the legs within 1/4" of square while welding up the top of the table, then used a hydraulic jack to push them into final position while welding in the lower shelf support. I can't even really imagine how somebody would build something like this without the lower supports to keep the legs that last little bit of true.

Of course, after finishing welding the legs on, they were not all the same length. Well, they were all cut to the same length, but they didn't all get welded onto the top at exactly the same height, so with the top level, not all four legs were touching the ground. I worked around this by welding on the two "low" legs' plates first, then leveling the table top and sliding the "high" legs' plates underneath them, then tacking them on such that the orientation between the "high" leg and the ground was maintained. The final result is that there is about 1/16" of wobble, but I concluded that was about as good as I was likely to get and left well enough alone. I plan to take out that last bit of wobble by shimming the caster with washers.

On the bandsaw cart, I came to appreciate the weakness of 7018 and the strength of 6011 in jobs where fitup is poor. 7018 lays a pretty, pretty bead, but when there is a gap, it will blow holes in this 1/8" material no matter how careful I am, especially at the edges. As a result, I have been burning a lot more 6010, and have improved my ability to run that rod by leaps and bounds. Don't get me wrong: my 6010 beads are still so terrible that they're not really even worth critiquing, but they're much less terrible than they used to be! I have been trying to hold myself to standards and to grind out any beads that I wouldn't be willing to show my face with in public. It's very tempting to just say, "it'll hold," and move on, but I remind myself that every weld I grind out is another practice bead I get to run. In many cases, I laid down a bead that I knew was terrible just to get some metal in the gap, before grinding smooth and going back over it again.

All this grinding has been educational, as it reveals the inner structure of the weld, including any slag inclusions or porosity. I have had a few welds with no inclusions, but most of them have at least a little inclusion. Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be much correlation between how good/consistent a bead appears on the outside, and its likelihood of having an inclusion. The ones that didn't have inclusions were pretty ugly on the outside.

One lesson that I'm taking to heart is that if a bead isn't going right, it's better to just knock it off and fix what's wrong. For example, if I start the bead and feel that my wrist is going to get bound up before the end, I should stop, readjust my position, and pick up again. Working with 7018 discourages restarts, and so I had picked up the bad habit of just trying to push through to the end--to the detriment of my welds.

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Above are a couple examples of my welds on this project. As I said, they are hardly even worth critiquing, but they are worlds better than my 6010 used to be. The main thing that I think is wrong with them is that they are cold. Either that, or my travel speed was too slow, but I suspect coldness is the issue. Unfortunately, when I ran hotter, I tended to blow through. Only by turning down the heat could I get the puddle to work slowly enough that I could manipulate it with any consistency.

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Finally, here's the weld in the project that I am most proud of. This is the handle of the cart, so I ground the weld smooth, since it would be coming into frequent contact with people's hands. When I finished, and there was no undercutting or porosity--just a smooth metal surface, as if it had always been that way--I was really thrilled.

EDIT: In case you're wondering, this is all 1/8" thick material, and I'm welding using about 60 amps with 3/32" E6011.
 
/ Thoughts on this used welder? #260  
In time you'll figure out with 6010, and 6011 arc length plays a big part! Long arc length gap is a hot flowing puddle. Close arc length is a colder dryer puddle.
You really need to work on wrapping your corners. ;)
 

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