Need TIG machine purchase advice

/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #21  
I have a hobart 140 mig it says it can do aluminum. Can it? I dont have the need to. But maybe I will try it someday.

Most MIG machines can do aluminum if you add a spool gun. Miller/Hobart makes a ?$250 spool gun for just that purpose. Not for pro use but allows welding of 1/8 inch or so aluminum.
 
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Well, I guess I'm out of luck since I can't spend $5,800 on a TIG welder at the moment. I would need to do aluminum of mostly 1/8" or so, stainless and mild steel mostly in the 1/8" to 3/16" range with an occasional 1/4" or more. To do nice welds for clean projects would be my goal and I wouldn't want to compromise and not be happy later. Maybe I can find a used earlier model so I'm getting the word out to see what happens.

Here's the link to what I think I need...plus the water cooler.
Precision TIGョ 275 TIG Welder Ready-Pak
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #23  
sixdogs said:
Well, I guess I'm out of luck since I can't spend $5,800 on a TIG welder at the moment. I would need to do aluminum of mostly 1/8" or so, stainless and mild steel mostly in the 1/8" to 3/16" range with an occasional 1/4" or more. To do nice welds for clean projects would be my goal and I wouldn't want to compromise and not be happy later. Maybe I can find a used earlier model so I'm getting the word out to see what happens.

Here's the link to what I think I need...plus the water cooler.
Precision TIGョ 275 TIG Welder Ready-Pak

1/8" Aluminum would not take more than the 200 amps available from a Miller Dynasty DX which though not cheap would be significantly less than $5800. On the other hand an excellent used transformer setup like a Synchrowave can be had for about $3000 or less.
 
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1/8" Aluminum would not take more than the 200 amps available from a Miller Dynasty DX which though not cheap would be significantly less than $5800. On the other hand an excellent used transformer setup like a Synchrowave can be had for about $3000 or less.

I was told I need watercooled and foot pedal to do aluminum?
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #25  
sixdogs said:
I was told I need watercooled and foot pedal to do aluminum?

Water cooled only if you are doing a lot of welding as it cools the torch better than air but not required to make an aluminum weld. Foot pedal or thumb control to modulate heat is certainly nice but technically not necessary. I'd go for a foot pedal before a water cooled torch though.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #27  
I bought a Miller EconoTig years ago to do some rollcage work in a car I was building. Since then it's served me very well - including welding up some relatively heavy gauge steel to make tractor parts when my HTP MIG welder crapped out.

I've also been thinking of getting into doing some aluminum welding - and also thinking of buying a larger MIG setup. The aluminum I might be joining would be 1/4" plate to some structurals. I've been trying to determine the best way to go about this, MIG weld aluminum, join together with fasteners - or possibly brazing.

Is brazing an appropriate method to use on aluminum to join together larger gauge in an application that might see some heavy use?

When I get a larger MIG setup I've been leaning towards something along the lines of a Millermatic 252 - which claims it is spool gun ready (or potentially the Lincoln equivalent machine - I've read good reviews on both).
 
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/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #29  
If you can Tig weld aluminum without some kind of control of the amps.......:D

Yeah, you are right. Technically you can do it in that the power is there but no doubt the finger or pedal control is necessary.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #30  
Don't give up yet. You do not have to spend $5800 to TIG 1/8" Aluminum. I have a Diversion that was in the $1500 range, though I don't remember the exact price. There are limits to the Diversion versus the Dynasty. For example, the Diversion is TIG only (AC and DC), whereas the Dynasty (I think) can also be used as a stick machine. The Diversion was built as a "beginner" TIG machine. With it, you don't have the flexibility that you have with the Dynasty or Synchrowave's. Again, for example, our Synchrowave's have about a dozen parameters you can use to tune the machine. Features like gas Pre-Flow and Post-Flow Times. With the Diversion, these features are present, they're just wired into the machine and are not adjustable. With the Diversion, you set it to "Aluminum", which sets it to AC, and you turn the dial to select a material thickness. These two settings and the torch's amperage control are the only adjustable parameters you have.

The torch is air-cooled and, as far as I know, there is no water-cooled torch offered as an option. Water-cooled torches are nice if you are going to be welding thicker pieces (higher amps) for longer stretches of time. When welding aluminum, I'm mostly welding small brackets or thin sheet, so I've never missed it. The torch has a built-in thumb control and a foot control is offered as an option. Before buying this machine, I preferred a foot control, so I bought it. At that time, it was about $100 to $125. I've never used it. The thumb control on the torch is plenty comfortable and allows you to stand flat footed or even shuffle your feet to stay comfortable while welding.

As stated in an earlier post, I have the advantage of having access to larger machines. When I need to weld heavier cast aluminum pieces, like transmission housings, I use a Synchrowave 350 with a water-cooled torch. But when needing to weld smaller pieces of structural shape aluminum, the Diversion has done fine. It has also handled anything I've wanted to weld at it as far as mild steel and stainless are concerned. I've just finished a project welding replacement drain pipes for a set of machines we have. The pipes were fabricated using 4", 304 SS, Schedule 40 pipe. I was able to weld flanges and 2" Thread-O-Lets to the pipe with little issue. The machine's thermal overload tripped twice during this project. Both times, I was making the second pass on the pipe side of a 4" Slip-On flange. These are the kind of limitations you would have to accept. It won't blow and go all day. But, then again, neither will I.

I'm not a Miller salesman, nor do I own stock. I own Miller, Lincoln's, and Hobart and have had good luck with all. I'm sure Lincoln or others offer similar machines that others here have experience with.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #31  
Jim why not look at multi-process machines? I just love my Invertec V350-Pro with SG spool gun, and LF-72 wire feeder.


Invertec?ョ V350-PRO Multi-Process Welder (Factory Model)

I will have to take a look at that.

I've slowly been doing some reading up on this trying to figure out what would be the best way to go for what I want to do. I would like to (potentially) be able to weld aluminum - also have the capability to do production work on heavy gauge steel.

From some of what I have been reading today - I'm now thinking that I might be better off in the end spending a little more money and getting into something like a Miller 350P - which will do the spray arc welding. From what I've been reading that feature will let me make really nice welds easier on steel and also works much better on aluminum (with the right spool gun)

Millermaticョ 350P - MIG - Miller

The price is really up there - but I have seen a few barely used ones for sale for pretty good prices.

My problem is usually time - and a machine that will "make it easy" for me - even if it costs more - is worth the extra expense. If I can pull it out of the box and make nice welds - it just made it worth the money.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #32  
I've heard nothing but good things about Miller's 350P. My Invertec V350-Pro is the pulse version. Here is what it will do with spray, and pulsed Mig aluminum with the spool gun.
 

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/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #33  
The miller 350p is what we have at work. It is a very nice machine:thumbsup: Pulsed is great. And fast
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #34  
I'd like a Syncrowave 350, but the current requirements are higher than I'd prefer. That leaves the Dynasty 300.... at 90-100A when I looked at it years ago, it was possible to run in the garage and still have 100A for the rest of the house.

The big advantages of the inverters are light weight, and lower currents. In my opinion the Syncrowave (old fashioned heavy copper) should be able to take more abuse (and they are easier to find used, and cheaper.... unless you don't have the amps to run one, in which case running more amps (or running a generator) also runs up the cost).

Now all I need to do is finish building the garage.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #35  
I'd like a Syncrowave 350, but the current requirements are higher than I'd prefer. That leaves the Dynasty 300.... at 90-100A when I looked at it years ago, it was possible to run in the garage and still have 100A for the rest of the house.

The big advantages of the inverters are light weight, and lower currents. In my opinion the Syncrowave (old fashioned heavy copper) should be able to take more abuse (and they are easier to find used, and cheaper.... unless you don't have the amps to run one, in which case running more amps (or running a generator) also runs up the cost).

Now all I need to do is finish building the garage.

The specs for the 350P say 69 amps max input. I should be ok with that - once I get electricity out to the garage. Sounds like we're running on parallel courses - I am trying to (finally) finish off my barn - and that is what has me thinking of upgrading the welder since I will finally have a place to do some work - once I get the electricity run ou there.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #36  
Jim why not look at multi-process machines? I just love my Invertec V350-Pro with SG spool gun, and LF-72 wire feeder.


Invertecョ V350-PRO Multi-Process Welder (Factory Model)


So help me understand the setup of the Lincoln Invertec 350 ....... The main unit is a power supply that can do TIG , or stick , or MIG? But to do MIG I would need to add a separate wire feeder? To do aluminum (MIG) - I would add a separate spool gun?

I like the versatility - if one unit will do MIG and TIG and stick - I could sell off my Miller EconoTIG and my HTP units and probably be halfway there to affording a new unit.

How easy is the setup? From reading the info on the Miller it seems relatively easy to setup for different jobs. The Miller has a spot timer ( something I have on the HTP that is great for doing body panel work on cars) etc.
 
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jim_wilson said:
So help me understand the setup of the Lincoln Invertec 350 ....... The main unit is a power supply that can do TIG , or stick , or MIG? But to do MIG I would need to add a separate wire feeder? To do aluminum (MIG) - I would add a separate spool gun?

I like the versatility - if one unit will do MIG and TIG and stick - I could sell off my Miller EconoTIG and my HTP units and probably be halfway there to affording a new unit.

How easy is the setup? From reading the info on the Miller it seems relatively easy to setup for different jobs. The Miller has a spot timer ( something I have on the HTP that is great for doing body panel work on cars) etc.

Check out the new Miller Multimatic 200. 150 amp tig mig and stick in a 35 lb suitcase. They basically combined a Passport Plus with a Maxstar 150 STL. Aluminum with spool gun too. $2378 for full package.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #38  
Check out the new Miller Multimatic 200. 150 amp tig mig and stick in a 35 lb suitcase. They basically combined a Passport Plus with a Maxstar 150 STL. Aluminum with spool gun too. $2378 for full package.

Looks good - but I want something that can do thicker steel - and thicker aluminum. Plus - from what I'm reading the spray and pulse features really help to get good weld quality. Whatever I get - I may use it for some light production, and anything that helps me get a better quality weld is worth it to me.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #39  
jim_wilson said:
Looks good - but I want something that can do thicker steel - and thicker aluminum. Plus - from what I'm reading the spray and pulse features really help to get good weld quality. Whatever I get - I may use it for some light production, and anything that helps me get a better quality weld is worth it to me.

The Multimatic is not a production welder but it sure packs on a lot of features. And, 35 lbs! That's about 10% of what a 350p weighs.
 
/ Need TIG machine purchase advice #40  
So help me understand the setup of the Lincoln Invertec 350 ....... The main unit is a power supply that can do TIG , or stick , or MIG? But to do MIG I would need to add a separate wire feeder? To do aluminum (MIG) - I would add a separate spool gun?

I like the versatility - if one unit will do MIG and TIG and stick - I could sell off my Miller EconoTIG and my HTP units and probably be halfway there to affording a new unit.

How easy is the setup? From reading the info on the Miller it seems relatively easy to setup for different jobs. The Miller has a spot timer ( something I have on the HTP that is great for doing body panel work on cars) etc.

Yes you need a separate wire feed, a spool gun, and a foot pedal for Tig work, now remember the V350-Pro is DC only. So if you want to do Tig aluminum you'll need a bottle of helium. Everything is plug and play, couldn't be easier!
Invertecョ V350-PRO Multi-Process Welder (Factory Model) Ready-Pakョ w/ LF-72 Wire Feeder


You might find a better price if you don't buy the package, take the Lincoln part numbers and search for them on this site. I bought the V350-Pro from these guys, but found a really good deal on the LF-72 wire feed on Craig's list.
https://weldingsupply.securesites.net/cgi-bin/browsecatalogs.pl?UNDEF::
 

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