Building a Shop

[Huskerplowboy]

Rain rain go away!

We've had 3.5" of rain this week, so the building site is good and muddy. Had 1.5" Tuesday and then we got another 2" last night and this morning. So much for July being hot and dry...

Forecast is looking slightly better, supposed to be dry tomorrow and Sunday and Monday until late. Might be able to get the materials delivered without having to tow their truck out on Monday and might have a shot to get a skid loader rented Monday mid-morning and get the holes in the ground before the next round of rain Tuesday. I have some cheap OSB that I plan to cut up and cover the holes with to keep at least some of the rain out of them if it comes before I fill them with poles... Maybe by mid-week I'll have some actual progress to report...

 

[mjncad]

Hmmmmm I must not undestand the symbols

Sorry Duffster...the programmer in me recalls using the ^ symbol to indicate power in some programming languages and in plain text communications where superscript isn't supported.

 

[wroughtn_harv]

You can pump the water out of the holes. My fence post holes are almost four feet deet. When it's raining and I've got holes open I build a little dam around the holes. If the water is still in the holes when I get ready to set posts I use a hand pump you can get at any good landscaper's supply house for getting water out of pits when repairing sprinkler lines. They work great.

Everyone I know that builds metal buildings here in Texas does the walls first.

 

[mikefromnh]

Don't you all remember geometry class? and pythagoreans theorem:

In any right triangle, the area of the square whose side is the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares whose sides are the two legs (the two sides that meet at a right angle).


(aa)(bb)=(cc)
where a =3 b= 4
3*3 = 9 4*4 = 16
9+16 = 25
c squared = 25
c = 5

Pythagorean Theorem and its many proofs from Interactive Mathematics Miscellany and Puzzles

 

[Duffster]

Don't you all remember geometry class? and pythagoreans theorem:

In any right triangle, the area of the square whose side is the hypotenuse (the side opposite the right angle) is equal to the sum of the areas of the squares whose sides are the two legs (the two sides that meet at a right angle).


(aa)(bb)=(cc)
where a =3 b= 4
3*3 = 9 4*4 = 16
9+16 = 25
c squared = 25
c = 5

Pythagorean Theorem and its many proofs from Interactive Mathematics Miscellany and Puzzles

Obviously several of us do.

 

[mjncad]

My geometry teacher was worthless. My algebra teacher was great.

 

[Huskerplowboy]

The shop materials arrived this morning around 9:30. Left the camera in the truck, so no pics yet. Waiting on a call back from the rental place to see if the 1 skid loader they had sitting around this morning will be ready to go this afternoon or if I'll have to wait til Thursday.

The materials package came with concrete footings, so I guess now I have some spares to use on the deck for the new house or to block up things. The spec sheet mentions "concrete footings provided by others" or something, so I had assumed I'd need to get my own. At least the ones from Menards are under $4 each, so I'm not out a ton of cash.

The steel looked ok, no signs of damage. The materials came out on a tilt-bed straight truck, so they just slid it off rather than lifting off with forks. A little tougher on the lumber, but avoids another chance of dinging up the steel with forks.

 

[Huskerplowboy]

Some other things I noticed with the materials:

- Came with screws and nails for at least all of the steel, need to look at the pile again to see if they also sent the framing nails.

- The soffit panels for the overhangs come pre-cut to length and color-matched, so less work there. Some of the other DIY kits I'd looked at would have sent 10-20' lengths of soffit that would have to be cut into the 50,000 sections (or however many pieces you'd need)

- The "contractors pack" of plans looks to be pretty helpful, has lots of drawings and diagrams showing how the various joints and things go together, number of nails and size of nails, etc. Some of the stuff also provides a "nail gun option" and lists how many 3 1/2" air nailer nails to use in place of the hand-nailed larger/longer nails.

On the minus side, The materials are stacked with the trusses on top of the perlins and girts, and all the steel is on top of the columns. Good for shipping, not so helpful during construction with the last things I need on top...

 

[jayste]

Obviously several of us do.

Thanks Duffster! I was gonna' but you beat me to it.

 

[Duffster]

Some other things I noticed with the materials:

- Came with screws and nails for at least all of the steel, need to look at the pile again to see if they also sent the framing nails.

- The soffit panels for the overhangs come pre-cut to length and color-matched, so less work there. Some of the other DIY kits I'd looked at would have sent 10-20' lengths of soffit that would have to be cut into the 50,000 sections (or however many pieces you'd need)

- The "contractors pack" of plans looks to be pretty helpful, has lots of drawings and diagrams showing how the various joints and things go together, number of nails and size of nails, etc. Some of the stuff also provides a "nail gun option" and lists how many 3 1/2" air nailer nails to use in place of the hand-nailed larger/longer nails.

On the minus side, The materials are stacked with the trusses on top of the perlins and girts, and all the steel is on top of the columns. Good for shipping, not so helpful during construction with the last things I need on top...

Is it standard for Cleary to nail the roof steel?

If so I would upgrade to screws on the roof.

 

[Dave5264]

Yup, same formula, just solved for C.

I Just used the 3,4,5 Triangle method....same deal

measure 3' down one side, 4' up the other and the diagonal should be 5' between those 2 points. IF not you adjust and re measure.

I must admit, it drove me bonkers trying to square my Run-In shed, and level it since its on a bit of a hill.

 

[Huskerplowboy]

A few pics of the materials on the ground. These show the piles of stuff. It all came on a tilt-bed truck, which was good since it protected the steel from forklift damage, but bad since the steel and trusses are on top, and the columns and girts on the bottom of the stacks...

 

[Huskerplowboy]

Low-$ forks for my loader to help move poles and things around...

 

[wedge40]

Low-$ forks for my loader to help move poles and things around...

I did the same thing for forks only I used some 4x4s I got from a barn I tore down. I bolted mine to side of the loader to keep them in place.

Wedge

 

[Duffster]

See if you can get some forks with the skidder you are renting.

Then you can unstack the steel from the lumber piles and orginize all of it.

 

[Huskerplowboy]

See if you can get some forks with the skidder you are renting.

Then you can unstack the steel from the lumber piles and orginize all of it.

Now that's a good idea! I had just sent in my rental reservation right before reading this, so I quickly sent this addition to it. That will be perfect to get the piles unstacked and the way I need them. I had tried to think of other things I could use the skid loader for, but drew a blank...duh!

Thanks for the tip, that'll save some time and effort.

 

[Huskerplowboy]

Skid loader is reserved. Tomorrow after work I'll pick up what's supposed to be a Deere 317 with the post hole power unit and an 18" auger and also a set of pallet forks. Dad's got a 317, so I won't have to worry about a learning curve with a machine i haven't run before. It's supposed to rain some tonight, but not too much, so maybe I can go ahead and dig holes tomorrow evening. If the weather holds for Thursday, I plan to put in a solid day setting poles, maybe get extra use out of the skid loader before I have to haul it back to town.

 

[Duffster]

Skid loader is reserved. Tomorrow after work I'll pick up what's supposed to be a Deere 317 with the post hole power unit and an 18" auger and also a set of pallet forks. Dad's got a 317, so I won't have to worry about a learning curve with a machine i haven't run before. It's supposed to rain some tonight, but not too much, so maybe I can go ahead and dig holes tomorrow evening. If the weather holds for Thursday, I plan to put in a solid day setting poles, maybe get extra use out of the skid loader before I have to haul it back to town.

Hopefully it has the same controls.

Rental can tend to have hand controls.

 

[Huskerplowboy]

The controls usually aren't the problem, but rather the safety stuff. I know dad's 317 has certain orders it likes for things like sitting down, buckling seat belt, part brake on/off, etc or it'll get a little stubborn. I've run enough different control styles to pick up on that pretty well, once I figure out the trick to starting the dumb thing!

 

[Huskerplowboy]

We got nearly 1" more rain last night around 1:00am or so. Had a sunny day with a little wind, so things dried out some, but still a little muddy in parts of the shop area.

Picked up the skid loader after work today. After meeting with the contractor about some house stuff, I was able to get it unloaded and unstack the shop materials. I think I managed to get the steel picked up without mangling the bottom sheets with the forks. The trusses are now sitting sort of flat on some old 2x4's so they aren't sagging over a pile of lumber like they were.

Plan to get out and get the holes remarked and drilled in the morning before the next round of rain chances comes around at noon or so. I don't think they're expecting much rain tomorrow unless I'm unlucky enough to catch a stray thunderstorm...