Yanmar's "gray" position
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Re: Yanmar\'s \"gray\" position
Yes Yanmar got sued . I don't know the details, but it was a big enough settlement for them to change their policies. It is making it a real pain in supplying parts for Yanmar owners. The grey only parts are in the price book, so when I price a part , I don't know for sure if Yanmar will supply it or not. I don't know until I receive the order & discover that items are missing from the order & aren't listed as back ordered.
As to someone ordering parts from Japan & making a big business of it. I don't think that will work on a large scale. I all ready order grey only parts from Japan. It takes longer & costs more. To be price competitve with US parts , they have to come by ship which takes longer. US costumers generally aren't that patient. To stock all the items that might be ordered is to expensive. The major tractor company dealers don't stock anywhere near as many parts as they did 30 years ago. I think if anyone tried buying large quantities of parts in Japan that they would be noticed by Yanmar & eventually be cut off. It is my understanding the manufactures in Japan don't like the export of tractors to the US anyway, because they feel it cuts into their US sales.
Yes Yanmar got sued . I don't know the details, but it was a big enough settlement for them to change their policies. It is making it a real pain in supplying parts for Yanmar owners. The grey only parts are in the price book, so when I price a part , I don't know for sure if Yanmar will supply it or not. I don't know until I receive the order & discover that items are missing from the order & aren't listed as back ordered.
As to someone ordering parts from Japan & making a big business of it. I don't think that will work on a large scale. I all ready order grey only parts from Japan. It takes longer & costs more. To be price competitve with US parts , they have to come by ship which takes longer. US costumers generally aren't that patient. To stock all the items that might be ordered is to expensive. The major tractor company dealers don't stock anywhere near as many parts as they did 30 years ago. I think if anyone tried buying large quantities of parts in Japan that they would be noticed by Yanmar & eventually be cut off. It is my understanding the manufactures in Japan don't like the export of tractors to the US anyway, because they feel it cuts into their US sales.
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Yanmar has to be making money on grey parts. I'm sure it's a love hate relationship (they love to sell but hate getting sued)
Why couldn't Yanmar just make anyone buying parts sign a waiver to hold them harmless in trade for parts support?
And any reseller in the US do the same, so the manufacturer wouldn't be at risk.
As previously posted, the big three don't have this problem and they have made just as many "unsafe" Tractors.
???
Tom
Yanmar has to be making money on grey parts. I'm sure it's a love hate relationship (they love to sell but hate getting sued)
Why couldn't Yanmar just make anyone buying parts sign a waiver to hold them harmless in trade for parts support?
And any reseller in the US do the same, so the manufacturer wouldn't be at risk.
As previously posted, the big three don't have this problem and they have made just as many "unsafe" Tractors.
???
Tom
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Because the lawyers would call that tacit support for the introduction of the machines (i.e. doing it with a wink and a nod to make the profit). I assume this means that parts may become a little harder to get, or even an aftermarket will develop.
In aviation, Cessna had to stop making small planes because they were getting sued for "design defect" for planes that were made in 1929 and still flying. Piper, another small aircraft maker has gone bankrupt several times. Over 1/2 the cost of the aircraft is the liability inurance of the manufacturer.
Somehow, companies are supposed to have future vision. A product made and sold now should be compliant with things not discovered until the future.
So much for my rant against the tort system.
Because the lawyers would call that tacit support for the introduction of the machines (i.e. doing it with a wink and a nod to make the profit). I assume this means that parts may become a little harder to get, or even an aftermarket will develop.
In aviation, Cessna had to stop making small planes because they were getting sued for "design defect" for planes that were made in 1929 and still flying. Piper, another small aircraft maker has gone bankrupt several times. Over 1/2 the cost of the aircraft is the liability inurance of the manufacturer.
Somehow, companies are supposed to have future vision. A product made and sold now should be compliant with things not discovered until the future.
So much for my rant against the tort system.
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I guess all the Yanmar parts dealers got the same 8 page certified letter as I did, the last sentence in the letter was like this.
Yanmar Diesel America does not support gray market Yanmar - brand tractors and any authorized dealer who sells or services such tractors does so on it's own risk.
They also say that if they even think that a dealer is buying parts for a gray market tractor that they will terminate the agreement with the dealer.
Danny
I guess all the Yanmar parts dealers got the same 8 page certified letter as I did, the last sentence in the letter was like this.
Yanmar Diesel America does not support gray market Yanmar - brand tractors and any authorized dealer who sells or services such tractors does so on it's own risk.
They also say that if they even think that a dealer is buying parts for a gray market tractor that they will terminate the agreement with the dealer.
Danny
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Signing a waiver doesn't mean much. They can still be sued. Yanmar had a warning about grey market tractors on their website. they sent their dealers the warning. Dealers were encouraged not to sell parts for grey market tractors. If you called & asked them about parts for a grey tractor, you would be given the cold shoulder. They court decided they were still supporting grey tractors.
Signing a waiver doesn't mean much. They can still be sued. Yanmar had a warning about grey market tractors on their website. they sent their dealers the warning. Dealers were encouraged not to sell parts for grey market tractors. If you called & asked them about parts for a grey tractor, you would be given the cold shoulder. They court decided they were still supporting grey tractors.
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Find the part number, find a US Yanmar that contains the same part, then order it saying its for the US model. Of course this assumes that the part is on a US model.
Find the part number, find a US Yanmar that contains the same part, then order it saying its for the US model. Of course this assumes that the part is on a US model.
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I tried the waiver idea when I wanted to build ROPS for my tractors. Lawyers told me that a person cannot sign away their rights whether they want to or not. The waiver can actually be used against you in court and make you look like you knew it was dangerous and you did not want to correct it.
I tried the waiver idea when I wanted to build ROPS for my tractors. Lawyers told me that a person cannot sign away their rights whether they want to or not. The waiver can actually be used against you in court and make you look like you knew it was dangerous and you did not want to correct it.
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Let me see if I have this right now. If an American buys a fan and sticks there finger in it. They can sue the manufacture and the store who sold it to them. Even if they bought it at a yard sale?
At one time in America it was against the law to pratic law. (be an Attorny). I think it was the begining of the end of common sense. Or maybe it is an idea that should be reconsidered.
Americans are so safty conceious. The other day I had a Soccermom tell me Baseball was to dangerious. Where will it stop?
People need to start takeing responsabilty for there own actions. And quite looking for someone to blame.
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Let me see if I have this right now. If an American buys a fan and sticks there finger in it. They can sue the manufacture and the store who sold it to them. Even if they bought it at a yard sale?
At one time in America it was against the law to pratic law. (be an Attorny). I think it was the begining of the end of common sense. Or maybe it is an idea that should be reconsidered.
Americans are so safty conceious. The other day I had a Soccermom tell me Baseball was to dangerious. Where will it stop?
People need to start takeing responsabilty for there own actions. And quite looking for someone to blame.
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I agree. Lawsuits are the hidden tax on everything. Remeber, its not only the person who made it or sold it, but the company that transported it, and all the people who supplied parts. Maybe the reason someone flipped their tractor over was that the previous owner didn't do the maintenance right.
I agree. Lawsuits are the hidden tax on everything. Remeber, its not only the person who made it or sold it, but the company that transported it, and all the people who supplied parts. Maybe the reason someone flipped their tractor over was that the previous owner didn't do the maintenance right.
