wood stoves

[scott_vt]

A lot of people have asked about taking firewood off our property, but every time I point them at a stack of 12" - 16" diameter downed trees and say they are free for the taking, just clean up after yourself, those folks disappear. I have 3 stacks like that with 8+ cords in each stack.

Mornin Dave,
Every once in awhile I stumble into a deal like that ! You can be my neighbor anytime, heck I will even clean up after myself

 

[rickster]

I heat with a LO PI brand and have had no problems in 8 yrs time. If I were ever
to get new stove I would check out the soap stone stoves. The stone holds the heat long after the fire goes out. I love wood heat!

 

[Highbeam]

"I was kinda thinking of outdoor stoves when I asked Highbeam about how the government determines the need for a burn ban. I drive by a few of those things and they seem to produce ALOT of smoke. What I read is that they cannot burn efficiently since the burn box is surrounded by water which decreases the temp which does make sense.

One house is near one end of a lake. I drove by a few weeks ago right at dawn and the lake was full of smoke from his fire. It looked like a fog. On the other hand some of the other houses that have the stoves don't always have smoke."

Wood burners like that give us all a bad name and it is an uphill battle since all wood burning appliances will puff some smoke at startup and reload. In my county there are smoke complaints and then there are burn bans. A smoke complaint can be justified and enforced with minimal actual smoke.

 

[5030]

A stove burning ban is about the most inane thing I ever heard of. Boy am I glad I live here in Michigan instead of out west.

People and the gummit are so worried about smoke pollution from woodstoves and all the while, most third world countries are burning soft coal and have no pollution controls on anything.

It's like being in a no smoking section of a resturant. The smoke circulates throughout the resturant not just in the no smoking section.

It's way past time that we should be the pollution free example for the rest of the world, forgetaboutit. Seems as though we here are the only ones worried about pollution. I shouldn't say "we", I mean the politicians.

 

[HomeBrew2]

A stove burning ban is about the most inane thing I ever heard of. Boy am I glad I live here in Michigan instead of out west.
...

Whoa, just a minute there ... you may want to adjust your "inane gauge" a bit: The great central valley of Kalifornia has a dust ban!!! You can't put a fergie on a construction site nor run a truck down a dirt farm road without a water truck or other dust mitigation measure for fear of incurring the wrath of the air police, who are duly authorized to inflict daily fines or shut-down orders. The perimiters of construction sites can be seen posted with signs with a toll free number to call "If you see any dust from this site". Haven't seen any such signs posted on farms yet, thank god.

 

[dmccarty]

Wow on the dust ban.

I had knee jerk reaction to the stove ban but then after thinking about the smoke issue on some of the stoves I have seen running I had to change my tune. There is no way I would want to live near some of these burners I see. With the prevailing winds one of these stove covers a couple of houses. I would be a very unhappy camper if my neighbor was smoking up my place. I did not seriously look at the outdoor stoves because my neighbors are down hill in a little valley. I would smoke them out. This would be good for one neighbor.

A dust ban is interesting. I try not do drive real fast on our dirt road but even at a crawl we get dust. I guess dust from a dirt road is ok but dust from a construction site is bad.... Hmmmmm.

Later,
Dan

 

[Highbeam]

We have dust police here too. They call it fugitive dust. Anything from construction sites, to logging roads are targets. It is the same people, the clean air commision, that go after dusty sites.

We call them chest thumpers, these morons drive around and go to our construction site meetings to threaten us with what they can do if they see dust. In the winter we get mud tracking complaints and in the summer we get dust complaints. Some people just love to complain.

The smoke from a single fire never needs to be tolerated. Call the FD or the clean air guys and they will shut your neighbor down. The county wide burn ban on all burning can happen when there is a haze forming in one urban part of the county.

Last I heard, those outdoor wood boilers were exempt from EPA regulations on clean burning unlike your woodstove which must meet strict guidelines. There is also an exemption for cook stoves.

 

[Knight9]

My wood stove burns very clean. Perhaps a very small amount of smoke at startup, if I was a little lazy with the kindling, but other than that only heat smoke as it hits the cold air. To ban something like that would be ridiculous. We don't have such bans here....yet...but there was a local issue in 2006 where in the suburb we live close to, a guy had to quit burning coal in his coal burning stove. But that was in the city.

Kevin

 

[scott_vt]

A stove burning ban is about the most inane thing I ever heard of. Boy am I glad I live here in Michigan instead of out west.

Afternoon 5030,
I second that, Amen

 

[orezok]

A stove burning ban is about the most inane thing I ever heard of. Boy am I glad I live here in Michigan instead of out west.

I know that everybody likes to bash California, but did you know that the average life expectancy in California is 5 years longer than in Michigan. Maybe some regulations are good! See link below.

USATODAY.com - How long you live depends on which USA you live in

 

[5030]

A stove burning ban is about the most inane thing I ever heard of. Boy am I glad I live here in Michigan instead of out west.

I know that everybody likes to bash California, but did you know that the average life expectancy in California is 5 years longer than in Michigan. Maybe some regulations are good! See link below.

USATODAY.com - How long you live depends on which USA you live in

I'm not even interested in reading it. If you people out there want to regulate yourself into oblivion, have fun with it. Myself, I just can't see prolonging my lifespan an extra 5 years while living in an eggshell.

Every time I read in the newspaper or some magazine about another of your "regulations", I chuckle to myself. I believe I'd be more worried about mudslides and wildfires and your lack of a long term fresh water source than regulating yourselves out of existence, but then I don't live in California and quite honestly, I have no desire to either.

 

[RayMunising]

For what it's worth: I've used a Hearthstone soapstone woodstove to heat my home for the past 18 years! No problems yet. It's burned 4-5 full cords of wood every season. The only time I use the propane furnace is when the temp falls below zero for a while.
Ray

 

[orezok]

"I'm not even interested in reading it."

I suppose some would say ignorance is bliss.

 

[5030]

"I'm not even interested in reading it."

I suppose some would say ignorance is bliss.

Some also say that freedom from inane rules and regulations is very blissful also.

Touché

 

[orezok]

Some also say that freedom from inane rules and regulations is very blissful also.

Touché

A 5 year early and untimely death due to sucking up someone else's pollution is the most blissful.

 

[5030]

Quite honestly, I spent a bit of time in San Diego in the Navy many years ago and I do like California, I just don't like all the rules and stipulations that seem to complicate California citizens in the everyday lives in these times.

I've said enough about it. Time to get on. I appreciate your invitation.

 

[orezok]

I live out here in the Mojave desert. It's more like 1950's California out here. There are so few "Federales" that few rules are enforced. We even have a different smog test than most of the rest of California.

I suppose that I still live in the real California and I hate going to the city.

Sometimes I forget what the rest have to deal with.

 

[klm]

I thought it was Mexalifornia

 

[orezok]

klm I thought it was Mexalifornia

Perhaps if you read history, you would know that California was Mexico for far more years that it has been the US. We took California from Mexico. The Mexican nationals who cross the border are only returning to the country their ancestors owned. We moved the border, they didn't.

As far as the people go, the ones who work on my projects are the hardest working, most curtious, friendly people I know. They get paid exactly the same as the white boys which is a shame, because they work so much harder.

They are the first to invite me and my wife to a saturday bar-b-que and they will share their last burrito at lunch if you dont have any.

No I'm not a Mexican, my father was born in Europe and my mother was only one generation out. I suppose that I too could be considered an immigrant.

Lazy complaining Americans would do well to study the work ethic of these wonderful people and learn from them rather than fear them.