Wolves in Yellowstone

/ Wolves in Yellowstone #23  
Red wolves re-introduced in the Smokies have made it as far south as N. GA...most get shot as coyotes...but there are still plenty of both whitetail and elk in the park etc...They have expanded their once native ranges but not because of a lack of prey...

It's a lot different here in the S.E. than it is in Yellowstone or the big ranch states...here it is the coyote that is the rel issue...and IMO they need to instill a bounty on them for all the S.E. states...


BTW...jimmy carter whacked the rabbit with an oar...
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #24  
What I get out of the video is wolves eat everything then the beavers come and f***everything up by turning good land into a swamp! We have enough swamp!!We have enough beavers! Wolves were delt with long ago for a reason and I am sure history will once again repeat itself.

Lot of "I" and "We" there.

Did you ever consider that everything was working just fine and produced the things we value, until "we" came along and decided "we" know better?

Beavers and white tails are primary prey for wolves.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #26  
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Lot of "I" and "We" there.

Did you ever consider that everything was working just fine and produced the things we value, until "we" came along and decided "we" know better?

Beavers and white tails are primary prey for wolves.

What do they prey on when there is not enough beavers and whitetail? How about family pets and live stock? The wolves around my area make frequent trips to town and prey on domestic dogs cats. Things may have been working just fine before we came along I don't know and I don't think We know better I just know I am here. I am not sure if you have had any dealings with wolves in your neck of the woods here they have become a real pain in the butt.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #27  
We have the same thing here in Wisconsin.People were seeing Cougars in different parts of the state but they kept saying they weren't in the state.It took a couple of years before pictures were taken then the truth came out.We have some that move through just down the road from the house.I did see one years ago.

Did you read the entire story on our most famous cougar (the 4 legged kind)? Originally tagged in the SD Black Hills, spotted here and there from time to time including here, met his demise on a highway in Connecticut! That is a lot of miles. Have to wonder what he was looking for. But you are correct...the DNR took a long time to admit it. They are only now waking up to the migration of bobcats to the south (like our bears did). The wolf seasons in the past 2 years seem to have gotten them under control at least around here...still a problem up north but so much of that is in the tribal region and they won't harvest any.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #28  
We have Bobcats around here, I have never seen one but I have seen their tracks. They tend to avoid people and that's just fine with me.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #29  
"Migrating to the south"...There have been bobcats in FL since ever... or maybe they meant the "snowbird"-bobcats...?
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #30  
we have coyote's here in idaho....we bring the dog and cat in at night...no issues with them. People that let their pets roam free at night tend to lose them. those people dont care... they just get another. I feel more kinship to the coyote and wolf than alot of people i meet.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #31  
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What do they prey on when there is not enough beavers and whitetail? How about family pets and live stock? The wolves around my area make frequent trips to town and prey on domestic dogs cats. Things may have been working just fine before we came along I don't know and I don't think We know better I just know I am here. I am not sure if you have had any dealings with wolves in your neck of the woods here they have become a real pain in the butt.

No wolves here. I don't think I'd mind if there were though.

Sure, their presence changes things. People shouldn't expect otherwise. The question is what are people willing to do to coexist with nature?

It's easy for people to dominate nature and screw it up in the process. It's much more difficult and challenging to find ways to live with some wildness around us. And we are not always going to succeed at that. Assuming we are smarter than a pack of wolves, I bet it can be figured out though.

In past times people kept herds of domestic animals in the presence of wolves, bears, and such. They didn't do it by just opening the front door for pets, or the barn doors for stock. That is essentially what people want to be able to do, just set out a nice predator meal and then complain when they show up for dinner. That is not realistic if they also want wildlife in some form that is close to natural, healthy and sustainable.

If we are to be honest, bullets are cheaper than barns, fences, shepherds and guard dogs. Killing any wildlife that may cause us effort or expense is the cheap and lazy way out. To the extent that choice is driven by farm and ranch economics, I think a solid majority of Americans would pay ten or twenty cents per pound more for meat if it means wildlife is being preserved. We should expect to and be willing to pay for what we value.

Ranchers and farmers are compensated for predator losses. I don't know how fairly or how well those programs operate. I'd rather see a market-driven solution where prices reflect production costs and losses. Let the market reward the ability to cost effectively preserve wildlife while producing meat.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #33  
Give me a break!! In the past they shot wolves,bears and anything else that threatened there livestock. As far as guard dogs doing anything tell that to the guy down the street that went to feed his dog and found just its head on its leash still connected to the dog house. You don't THINK you would mind. IMO I think you would.

No break for you. :)

What did people do about predators before guns were common? Oh that's right, they actually tended and watched over their animals instead of watching TV and collecting payments from the government.

A dog chained to a dog house is not a guard dog; it's a staked out meal. It's cruel, in that situation especially. It's also a lazy and cheap way to keep a pet. It proves the guy down the street IS dumber than a wolf.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #34  
if sport hunting had been allowed in Yellow Stone there would never had been an overpopulation of elk
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #35  
If wolves had not been exterminated in Yellowstone, there would never have been an overpopulation of elk.
 
/ Wolves in Yellowstone #38  
if sport hunting had been allowed in Yellow Stone there would never had been an overpopulation of elk
That was my thought while watching the video. The narrator went on about all the AMAZING benefits of the wolves, which came down to eating elk. I'll bet plenty of hunters would be willing to do the same thing, without killing off livestock.
 
 
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