Will UAW Strike?

[lilranch2001]

Can't we all just get along?

Naaaaaaaa

 

[MossRoad]

I was hoping someone would say wax on, wax off.

 

[Oaktree]

I see Fords and Fain/UAW have come to a tentative agreement that has to be ratified and voted on but that still leaves GM and Stellantis groveling. They didn't get their 40% either. They got 24% over 4 years. Still knowing who I do at Fords, I'm confident that Fords will be building plants in RTW states and moving south and opening in a non union atmosphere.

Yeah, we'll see how that works out. Have any of the Detroit automakers gotten out from under union contracts by moving to RTW states?

I'd be interested in what your inside contact at Ford has to say about why they caved so soon. Maybe they didn't give Fain everything, but they sure gave up a lot. Not sure they set a good precedent moving forward.

Doesn't affect me directly since I never buy new, but higher new car prices=higher used car prices. As many here have noted, it's getting so that fewer and fewer people can afford a new car, and this isn't gonna help.

 

[Oaktree]

Every time I work on either Ford I gain a new appreciation for Japanese engineering, but, especially w/the Focus, it's probably half frustration that things got so complicated and I can't do as much as I could on the older vehicles.

Meh. I haven't found any make that's consistently easier to work on than others. They all cut corners, and they all do stuff that makes you wonder if the design engineers have a clue what the real world is like. I've cussed "Japanese engineering" just as much as I have American or German.

 

[5030]

Yeah, we'll see how that works out. Have any of the Detroit automakers gotten out from under union contracts by moving to RTW states?

No. The only way they can is to declare bankruptcy and reorganize non union or Relocate to Mexico (which they already have done) I cannot allude to anything I know as it would endanger my BIL's executive position at Fords. I won't do that. Lets just say there are plans underfoot to divest themselves of the UAW.

I won't buy new anyway, just too expensive. I always buy off lease however and let the original person who initiates the lease pay the depreciation and lease payments and then I come in and offer cash and get my vehicle, most times still under factory warranty.

I'd be interested in what your inside contact at Ford has to say about why they caved so soon. Maybe they didn't give Fain everything, but they sure gave up a lot. Not sure they set a good precedent moving forward.

Doesn't affect me directly since I never buy new, but higher new car prices=higher used car prices. As many here have noted, it's getting so that fewer and fewer people can afford a new car, and this isn't gonna help.

When a new vehicle costs more than what out farm cost, I draw the line. No vehicle appreciates that I know of unless it's a classic. Real estate appreciates. I ought to know in as much as we own the farm plus 3 rental homes.

I'll take real estate over a 401 or ERA anyday.

 

[airbiscuit]

Fords allowing a strike over a plant closing surprised me. The only thing I thought is that they would take a plant down to 25% capacity, and let it die on the vine.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Another nail in the ICE coffin.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-q3-earnings-uaw-strike-cost-13-billion-overshadowing-12b-net-income

 

[Hay Dude]

LOL

 

[Torvy]

Another nail in the ICE coffin.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-q3-earnings-uaw-strike-cost-13-billion-overshadowing-12b-net-income

Apparently you didn't read your own article.

The costs of the strike are not simply going to increase the cost of ICE vehicles. That overhead will be spread across the entire business.

More importantly, the article makes it clear EV sales are tanking. Sure, they quote a guy who says they are growing, just not as much as we expected. Read between the lines. That is sales speak for 'holy crap, Martha, the water's rising and we don't have a bucket'.

As mentioned earlier, most people who want an EV have already got one. The infrastructure cannot handle the death of ICE in the next 30 years. We simply have too little reliable electric production and transmission for that.

I actually feel sorry for y'all who bought an EV expecting to drive it for 10+ years. Those who want EV in the future will not want to buy your 'old tech' anymore than people wanted to buy a 286 PC after the 386 came out. You'll end up having to pay for hazardous waste disposal and pay full freight for whatever replaces EV. Even if EVs are still being sold, the tech will move fast enough that current models will be worthless in trade. You might be able to find some guy to retrofit your EV with new tech, but it will not be cheap.

 

[Hay Dude]

Apparently you didn't read your own article.

The costs of the strike are not simply going to increase the cost of ICE vehicles. That overhead will be spread across the entire business.

More importantly, the article makes it clear EV sales are tanking. Sure, they quote a guy who says they are growing, just not as much as we expected. Read between the lines. That is sales speak for 'holy crap, Martha, the water's rising and we don't have a bucket'.

As mentioned earlier, most people who want an EV have already got one. The infrastructure cannot handle the death of ICE in the next 30 years. We simply have too little reliable electric production and transmission for that.

I actually feel sorry for y'all who bought an EV expecting to drive it for 10+ years. Those who want EV in the future will not want to buy your 'old tech' anymore than people wanted to buy a 286 PC after the 386 came out. You'll end up having to pay for hazardous waste disposal and pay full freight for whatever replaces EV. Even if EVs are still being sold, the tech will move fast enough that current models will be worthless in trade. You might be able to find some guy to retrofit your EV with new tech, but it will not be cheap.

Exactly.
The owners of todays EV’s actually own the “brick” cell phone of the 90’s.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Another nail in the ICE coffin.

https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/ford-q3-earnings-uaw-strike-cost-13-billion-overshadowing-12b-net-income

Really?

I think you're looking at the wrong coffin, and forgot how to count up all the nails:

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

But keep your dream alive, I guess.

 

[Hay Dude]

Really?

I think you're looking at the wrong coffin, and forgot how to count up all the nails:

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

But keep your dream alive, I guess.

Some owners get b@lls deep in their EV superiority/investment.
That needs to be protected & reassured every day.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

Everyone jumps in when the govt subsidizes a sector… then, eventually, reality sets in. Looks like Ford is also “pausing” their second battery plant.

 

[Hay Dude]

Everyone jumps in when the govt subsidizes a sector… then, eventually, reality sets in. Looks like Ford is also “pausing” their second battery plant.

Good, let’s keep the Chinese from our automobiles as much as possible.

 

[riptides]

Everyone jumps in when the govt subsidizes a sector… then, eventually, reality sets in. Looks like Ford is also “pausing” their second battery plant.

..and everyone whines and complains when other countries take ownership and lead the markets when the government does not step in.

The battery supply chain is about 1/2 fully dominated by one country. The rest are minor players. It's a market that is probably at its peak with current technology. Why invest in current technology, the rate of return is not going to be there.

 

[BobInSD]

Some owners get b@lls deep in their EV superiority/investment.
That needs to be protected & reassured every day.

When a guy pays that much money for something (anything) he really wants to convince himself that it wasn't a mistake. I think that's a lot of the loyalty behind Harley's and John Deere and others. It's hard to be objective when doing so would including admitting a big mistake.

Speaking of which, I really want to like that Ford, but I'm having a little bit of buyer's remorse

Meh. I haven't found any make that's consistently easier to work on than others. They all cut corners, and they all do stuff that makes you wonder if the design engineers have a clue what the real world is like. I've cussed "Japanese engineering" just as much as I have American or German.

Having worked on both sides of this (in a different industry) I really think that a lot of the blame we heap on "engineers" is more appropriately laid at the feet of the bean counters. The Ford doesn't have a gas cap, saved some pennies x millions of cars. Probably works great in the city and my friends (who don't have kids but have nice new cars every few years) have had trucks w/out caps for quite awhile and aren't reporting any issues, so it didn't concern me. Now I realize that, living on a dirt road, it may be a little bit of a bigger deal for me than for my townie friends. I have a hard time believing that an engineer made that decision (and I have a strong dislike for Ford engineers in particular since the '80s).

 

[MoKelly]

Ford is not so hot on EV’s anymore.

Ford to postpone about $12 billion in EV investment as buyers become more cautious — CNBC

Ford said customers in North America are unwilling to pay a premium for an EV.

stocks.apple.com

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Really?

I think you're looking at the wrong coffin, and forgot how to count up all the nails:

Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working

But keep your dream alive, I guess.

Sorry you fell into that Clock Bait trap.

If you will do your own research, you will realize EV sales are increasing today in the United States.

The non tesla EV vendors have hit themselves with the Osborne Effect by announcing they are moving to the Tesla charging standard. Naturally, frugal-minded people are going to wait a couple years so they can get that feature so the car is usable for cross-country travel like today's Tesla owners enjoy.

ICE cars prices are going up due to labor cost going up. The big 3 and other car manufacturers continue to kill off ICE production due to loosing market share to EVs. The big 3 are going to move production over to EVs as fast as they can because of the lower cost for labor.

Are you in the market for an EV today?

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

Sorry you fell into that Clock Bait trap.

If you will do your own research, you will realize EV sales are increasing today in the United States.

The non tesla EV vendors have hit themselves with the Osborne Effect by announcing they are moving to the Tesla charging standard. Naturally, frugal-minded people are going to wait a couple years so they can get that feature so the car is usable for cross-country travel like today's Tesla owners enjoy.

ICE cars prices are going up due to labor cost going up. The big 3 and other car manufacturers continue to kill off ICE production due to loosing market share to EVs. The big 3 are going to move production over to EVs as fast as they can because of the lower cost for labor.

Are you in the market for an EV today?

You didn't read the article at all did you?

If you had, you would have read that the CEO's of Ford, GM, Toyota and Mercedes AND EVEN YOUR VAULTED TESLA (you have heard of those guys, right? The ones that actually RUN car manufacturing companies?), THEY are the ones saying it. In calls to their stockholders. You know, the folks they are beholden to in order to keep their jobs.

Jeeze man, how tight can you cling to your dream?

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Dana sees 'significant impact' from UAW strikes to North American operations

Auto parts supplier Dana said on Friday its operations in North America were "significantly impacted" by the ongoing United Auto Workers (UAW) union strikes against automakers, while outlining the expected financial hit from them.

www.reuters.com