Will UAW Strike?

[hiddentacocatneddih]

We need a buyer's strike to drive prices down

 

[5030]

I'd say the strike will end when Fain comes to the realization that the automakers have put forth their best offers and won't give any more, or the strike fund runs out or the rank and file looses faith in Fain and boots him or the automakers come up with another creative plan... Kind of reminds me of the old saying.... You cannot get blood from a turnip....

 

[Joel/ak]

Fain knew the big 3 wouldn't be able to meet his demands.

 

[Joel/ak]

Right and I agree, but you didn’t buy it new, right?
This is where I am at. I can write a check for most used equipment, but new? I’m priced out of the market.

Nope. Used a couple months ago. New drivetrain, clean ND truck for 15k.

I refuse to buy new

 

[Hay Dude]

Nope. Used a couple months ago. New drivetrain, clean ND truck for 15k.

I refuse to buy new

It has become almost impossible.
Inflation has far outstripped income.

Also, anything new mechanical with an engine seems to be impossibly complicated.

 

[Milo]

A friend who was a union worker at Milan Pharmaceutical in Morgantown, WV said the union and management negotiator came to an impasse after trying to settle during their last strike a couple years ago. My friend, who was planning to retire pretty soon anyway, had been voting to end the strike but the majority wanted to hold out for more. He said when eventually the negotiator told us "the company told me to give you what you asked for" the union was ecstatic, but he felt certain that meant they were done with the union and the plant, and just wanted to get us back to work while they made arrangements to close the plant.
His feeling was correct, some months after returning to work Mylan announced they were closing the Morgantown facility and moving production to their other plants in India, Netherlands, etc. The Morgantown facility, already the highest cost producer in the global company, became even more expensive after the latest contract so it simply made sense to give it up and not have to worry about labor strikes any longer. All those top paying jobs gone, 850 union and almost that many company workers. the plant sits empty (I've heard it was donated to WVU).

Is it time for auto makers to just quit fighting the union? Will Ford, GM, and Stellantis decide they're better off long run to get the workers back temporarily while arranging to move production to southern States and off shore, and finally just be done with the union?

 

[Lineman North Florida]

We need a buyer's strike to drive prices down

I'm in.

 

[Yander]

Me 2. Glad I don't need a new vehicle, especially a truck. I feel for those who make a living with expensive equipment and or have a lot of input costs. Can't be easy right now.

 

[Hay Dude]

A friend who was a union worker at Milan Pharmaceutical in Morgantown, WV said the union and management negotiator came to an impasse after trying to settle during their last strike a couple years ago. My friend, who was planning to retire pretty soon anyway, had been voting to end the strike but the majority wanted to hold out for more. He said when eventually the negotiator told us "the company told me to give you what you asked for" the union was ecstatic, but he felt certain that meant they were done with the union and the plant, and just wanted to get us back to work while they made arrangements to close the plant.
His feeling was correct, some months after returning to work Mylan announced they were closing the Morgantown facility and moving production to their other plants in India, Netherlands, etc. The Morgantown facility, already the highest cost producer in the global company, became even more expensive after the latest contract so it simply made sense to give it up and not have to worry about labor strikes any longer. All those top paying jobs gone, 850 union and almost that many company workers. the plant sits empty (I've heard it was donated to WVU).

Is it time for auto makers to just quit fighting the union? Will Ford, GM, and Stellantis decide they're better off long run to get the workers back temporarily while arranging to move production to southern States and off shore, and finally just be done with the union?

A lot of that has already happened. Ford & Stellantis produce a lot of trucks in Mexico.
*I see a day when little, if anything is made here anymore.
Unions wages and gov’t regulations, along with corp taxes make the USA non-competitive in mass level production.

* AI and mass advanced robotics might change that.

 

[ultrarunner]

Only one new vehicle for me and it was while I was overseas…

Mom one new car ever.

Family is happy with simple reliable transportation.

Wish well for everyone but like my Union Shop Boss once said… at $21 per hour I have work for everyone and at $24 it will take a year to wind down operations… shop no longer there in fact the Union Hall was also sold off… just not much Union manufacturing remaining here.

 

[Oaktree]

We need a buyer's strike to drive prices down

I'm doing my part. Only ever bought one new vehicle, and that was in 1971.

 

[hiddentacocatneddih]

A lot of that has already happened. Ford & Stellantis produce a lot of trucks in Mexico.
*I see a day when little, if anything is made here anymore.
Unions wages and gov’t regulations, along with corp taxes make the USA non-competitive in mass level production.

* AI and mass advanced robotics might change that.

Ai is more about stock price and not actual technology.

Robots and automation have been here.

 

[ultrarunner]

The strong unions here tend to be teachers, public sector, package delivery and service sectors, farm workers plus some medical professionals.

Just not a lot in manufacturing and factory…

Maybe this is part of a big plan following Tesla’s business model?

 

[Hay Dude]

Ai is more about stock price and not actual technology.

Robots and automation have been here.

Of course it has. I’m talking about robotics on a scale like we have never seen and AI being used to calculate production & business models that humans can’t

 

[ultrarunner]

Looks like local Postal Carriers may strike... first it was UPS and then Nurses and now it could even be mail carriers but not for money.

Letter Carriers nationwide are facing unprecedented increase in robberies and assaults and postal workers have had enough.

My local branch has had 31 armed robberies and physical assaults from February-September and lots of mail drop break-ins.

Maybe this will be looked at as the era of post COVID strikes?

 

[Hay Dude]

Looks like local Postal Carriers may strike... first it was UPS and then Nurses and now it could even be mail carriers but not for money.

Letter Carriers nationwide are facing unprecedented increase in robberies and assaults and postal workers have had enough.

My local branch has had 31 armed robberies and physical assaults from February-September and lots of mail drop break-ins.

Maybe this will be looked at as the era of post COVID strikes?

all these union strikes are happening because inflation is so high, all the union workers need to make more money!
Luv me some Bidenomics!!!!

 

[Torvy]

This was why the unions support bumps in minimum wage, too. They don't earn minimum, but some contracts are tied to it. They get automatic increases. If the market for labor increases without federal changes, those triggers don't happen.

We are starting into the next phase of the inflationary spiral. Spending goes up, which drives up prices, which puts upward pressure on wages, which drives up prices...these things happen in small doses in a healthy economy. The big problem is that spending went up by billions in a very short window. Rather like an inexperienced driver overcorrecting on ice. Big adjustments make things worse.

 

[Snobdds]

I think a lot of people understand that the country is in big financial troubles, but other than casting their vote for candidates that SAY they will work to cut spending and balance the budget. What are they to do? If there is to be true change, some very unpopular decisions are going to have to be made and I'm afraid it probably isn't going to happen.

It will never get solved, it will just crumble.

History has showed time and time again, advanced societies get too comfortable. The attitude turns to laisse faire and vote towards ideology, instead of what is in their own best interest.

We have numerous examples of cities in societal collapse here in the US, but people will still vote to continue the decline without a thought to the future. It's a weird part of human nature. We destroy our own selves because of comfort and ignorance.

I get a lot of resumes from Ivy league candidates, and their resumes are full of he/him, she/her and blatant Marxism thought. All they have for experience is basically activism. For me those go straight to the trash pile, but they are getting hired somewhere. These little Karl Marx's wannabe's are going to run stuff one day, then it's over. Then some other country will be the superpower for awhile before cultural rot sets in.

 

[ultrarunner]

all these union strikes are happening because inflation is so high, all the union workers need to make more money!
Luv me some Bidenomics!!!!

California just passed a far reaching health care bill making Healthcare minimum wage $25 per hour and various studies say 60 to 75% of Healthcare workers are getting a raise.

It also ties annual raises to inflation if I understand correctly.

I'm not clear what constitutes a Healthcare worker... is the security guard signing patients in a clinic a Healthcare worker?... what about Housekeeping in non patient areas?

SB525 California

 

[Eagle1]

California just passed a far reaching health care bill making Healthcare minimum wage $25 per hour and various studies say 60 to 75% of Healthcare workers are getting a raise.

It also ties annual raises to inflation if I understand correctly.

I'm not clear what constitutes a Healthcare worker... is the security guard signing patients in a clinic a Healthcare worker?... what about Housekeeping in non patient areas?

SB525 California

Seems that if Fast Food workers are getting $20 per hour, $25 is not out of line for a housekeeper, let alone anyone attending patients.....
ANYONE really think that paying $20 per hour for entry level jobs would not affect the pay every other job would demand?