Will UAW Strike?

[MossRoad]

Last time I ate out was at Culver's to get a Curderburger and that was a year ago.

CurderBurger™ Returns to the Culver’s® Menu Today by Popular Demand

Wife and I hit Culver's about every 2 weeks. She gets a scoop of flavor of the day and I get a small cherry shake.

 

[MossRoad]

As for their butterburgers, I don't care for how they make them upside down. Lettuce, tomatoes, pickle, etc. should go on top of the meat, not under it. I think they do that to keep the grease from soaking the bottom of the bun.

So I turn it over and am quite happy.

 

[NoTrespassing]

I'd have to drive into the city to get to Culver's. Not many in Texas, but my daughter lives near 1 and works near another. They were a staple when we lived in WI. Company was good partners for school. Parents could buy gift cards with 25% going to the school.

My wife and son are eating at Culver's this evening. His private school gets a percentage of the receipts and they are raising money to pay for the fieldtrip bus for 5th and 6th grade.

 

[newbury]

.tough to get out for under $10 anymore. Remember when McD's advertised change from your dollar?

I remember when full burgers were 10 cents, and I worked at a pet shop making the princely sum of $1.85/hour to pay for that and the gas at $0.25/gallon.

 

[5030]

Culvers still is...btw. I'm 73 and I never go to McDees and won't. Neither will I patronize any Burglar king either.

Never tried the curd burger at Culvers. I like the double bacon butter burger with no onion or the cod sandwich or the cod dinner, 3 piece and a large strawberry shake (with real strawberries in it that tend to plug up my straw...) Wife usually gets a Bacon Butter burger and onion rings and we always manage to keep the entire meal under 30 bucks and actually sit on upholstered seats and our meals are delivered to our table by a courteous person. Finally the Culvers we frequent is always very clean and we go there so much we have actually gotten to know the manager and there is really no turnover in employees either so they must pay them well and I would presume offer benefits like healthcare as well. It's always busy too, especially the drive through.

Either we go to Culvers or a nice sit down Mexican restaurant south of us that is a one off privately owned place with killer Mexican food and again a sit down place but the cost is about the same so long as my wife don't have any alcohol. Killer soft taco's made just right. 3 each is all we can handle. Smothered in lettuce and diced tomatoes with sour cream on the side. Consistently great food and reasonable prices considering the constantly increasing cost of the food stuffs need to prepare their dishes.

I don't mind paying 30 bucks for a sit down meal, especially when it's served to us by courteous waitstaff and we always tip commensurate with the service provided, something we don't have to do at Culvers but we always comment about their superlative service anyway. Yes, I have a Culvers stuffed toy on my car dash.

 

[5030]

back to the strike. Nothing has changed as far as Stellantis and the UAW negotiating as in they won't even deal with the UAW presently so I suspect they will assuredly strike them and GM because GM made their offer witch Fain rejected. Not sure about Fords even though I already am privy to their stance. Tomorrow night at midnight is the end of the current contract and I really want them to strike, high time the UAW gets a lesson in recessionary economics. just like the teamsters did with YRC.

Interestingly I found out on another forum I frequent that the non union automakers in the south, employ more autoworkers (called associates there) than the big 3 employ in unionized autoworkers and the 'associates base wages are in the mid 20's per hour not including ancillary benefits which is markedly below what UAW workers make. I guess not having to pony up union dues with every paycheck makes up for that difference.

 

[WM75Guy]

The UAW can go on strike now. My new grocery getter came in Monday afternoon, picked it up today.

 

[Torvy]

Dude, you must go through a boatload of groceries!

Congrats on the new toy.

I am wondering how much of the hard stance of the uaw is due to other relationships the uaw has and events coming up in the next 12-14 months.

 

[Snobdds]

The UAW is now talking about targeted strikes. Only striking at certain places.

What does that accomplish. It's like they have one foot in and one foot out.

Outstanding leadership at work here.

 

[Torvy]

Watch as OEMs shift work to other plants and people outside of the uaw or oems try to stop them. Kind of like when they tried to stop Boeing from moving work to NC.

 

[NoTrespassing]

The UAW is now talking about targeted strikes. Only striking at certain places.

What does that accomplish. It's like they have one foot in and one foot out.

Outstanding leadership at work here.

It helps preserve their strike fund while still hurting the companies. That way they can prolong the pain.

 

[5030]

Not gonna ask what it cost but I have a pretty good idea. Better you than me, Being gainfully retired, I've become a miser. I'd rather buy new farming tools. They make me money during good years and break even during bad ones (like this one is). Nice truck however. Duramax-Allison right? Just keep up on the fluid changes and filters on the Allison and it will last longer than the truck will. Same applies with the Max. It's a good engine, I like the late model Max engine better than the Cummins actually, but than I've always been a V8 diesel person.

 

[BravoXray]

Wife and I hit Culver's about every 2 weeks. She gets a scoop of flavor of the day and I get a small cherry shake.

I just came from Culver's about an hour ago, met my cousin there for a bite. I really like their chicken tenders and especially their broccoli.
Last time I ate there was Easter eve, it triggered a gall bladder attack and I spent Easter in the hospital getting it removed.
No problem this time though. So far...

 

[5030]

It helps preserve their strike fund while still hurting the companies. That way they can prolong the pain.

That tells me they have robbed their strike fund for other non striking assets. I don't think that Ford's or GM or Stellantis really cares. In fact I can see them doing a lockout if the UAW tees them off too much.

 

[5030]

I just came from Culver's about an hour ago, met my cousin there for a bite. I really like their chicken tenders and especially their broccoli.
Last time I ate there was Easter eve, it triggered a gall bladder attack and I spent Easter in the hospital getting it removed.
No problem this time though. So far...

I always considered you full of Gall anyway...lol

Best Broccoli I've ever had eating out was at Applebees. I'm addicted to their 14 ounce Ribeye, steamed broccoli and garlic mashed potatoes and the spuds are real and actually have small lumps. I don't list them as a favorite place to eat because the wife and I have the same meal and it's the top buck item on the menu and for the 2 of us with soft drinks ant tip, it always hits 85 bucks. at least so once a month is enough.

We always sit in the same section and get the same waitress and she actually remembers what we order so no menu's are required and she knows my wife likes hers well done and mine medium. Good service equals a good tip, always.

 

[airbiscuit]

If they were really concerned about the workers, they should be concerned about job security and future viability.

21st century training for the workers
Commitment to build EVs in legacy plants
Capital investment in legacy plants
Trim work rules tha build in waste/insufficiency

If they want more $$, but not at to the point where they can't compete with Elon Musk, non- union plants

Significant profit sharing instead of inflated wages and bloated benefits
A worker equity fund that equals top executive pay and bonuses

Any chance that will happen?

 

[ultrarunner]

This looks to be a departure as all three will face picket lines.

In the past UAW would concentrate efforts on one to keep Union dues rolling in and concentrate efforts to break one knowing it would have a ripple effect...

At least my understanding of more recent history.

 

[paulsharvey]

So, generally, this strike will be only be bad for the consumers; Unless, the big 3 can successfully break the UAW finally (we can hope, but they wont fight the UAW that hard), but even what they offered the union was too much; 18% guaranteed raise over 5 years, and some other stuff. I know it won't happen, but would be good if the 3 makers would come back to the table, and offer UAW the privilege of Only 15% pay cuts for 5 years In the longer run, they need to destroy the union, or move to a better place, where they don't have power.

Everyone wins; automakers cut expenses; cars are cheaper; quality goes up; and a union is destroyed, heck; any of thr workers who actually want to work, relocate to New non-union factory location, and probably are rewarded for their skill/work ethic; and the dead weight is left in Detroit/Indianapolis/ect

 

[5030]

If they were really concerned about the workers, they should be concerned about job security and future viability.

21st century training for the workers
Commitment to build EVs in legacy plants
Capital investment in legacy plants
Trim work rules tha build in waste/insufficiency

If they want more $$, but not at to the point where they can't compete with Elon Musk, non- union plants

Significant profit sharing instead of inflated wages and bloated benefits
A worker equity fund that equals top executive pay and bonuses

Any chance that will happen?

I don't know actually. I do know that the CEO of Fords did an interview yesterday and he had some interesting comments in it..

He plainly stated that the asked for pay percentage increase would bankrupt the company (which I don't buy actually, but he is the ultimate boss)

Additionally, he said that (in so many words) that if Fain called for rolling strikes instead of a blanket strike, he would have to shut down everything (lockout) as the parts supply for building and assembly would be broken (and that is a fact and I know that).

And interestingly, Fords tabled an offer to the UAW and the UAW (Fain) never replied.

Something fishy is going on. I do know that GM has made an offer but Stellantis has basically done nothing other than just rolling along.

I think Fain realizes a blanket strike will deplete the UAW strike fund almost immediately, because in typical greed fashion, the UAW never set aside sufficient funds for the strike fund. I suspect a large portion of that was bled off and put in UAW management pockets.

I'll keep everyone apprised when I talk to my BIL in as much as he's way up in the corporate management chain and knows the skinny, minute by minute.

 

[5030]

This looks to be a departure as all three will face picket lines.

In the past UAW would concentrate efforts on one to keep Union dues rolling in and concentrate efforts to break one knowing it would have a ripple effect...

At least my understanding of more recent history.

Again, the issue is the 'just in time' manufacturing philosophy that they all use to produce cars and trucks. The Takata air bag fiasco was good proof as well as the computer chip fiasco and they (automakers) have learned basically nothing from that.

The issue is, if one plant is picketed or even one manufacturing line in one plant is picketed, the parts to complete an assembly (car or truck) becomes a major issue and the automakers will have to lock everyone out. Real simple and they brought that on themselves with their JIT philosophy.

Once you break one link in a chain, the entire chain becomes useless. That also applies to 2nd and 3rd tier suppliers (mist of which are non union). They will also have to curtail operations and in their case lay off employees or shut down entirely and all of that (non union especially) will really put a strain on the overall economy and unemployment (state and Federally mandated) funding.

People fail to realize that the entire industry will be adversely impacted and that includes the non unionized manufacturers in the south and in RTW states because all of them also buy components and sub assemblies from the SAME 2nd and 3rd tier suppliers. When they curtail production, many of their employees will also be laid off or they will cease production entirely.

The ramifications of any strike will be widespread, count on that.